Sir. There may have been components of your argument that had valid points but if there were I missed them because this broke my head
Some people here are convinced their barber takes longer than they need to cut hair to increase the shops time sat in chair metric and thinks the barber doesn’t want to cut their hair standing up because the barber secretly hates them and wants them to go to the other shop down the street
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FFXIV requires you to do the entire MSQ for ARR before moving on to the first expansion. Then you’re required to complete the story to move onto expansion two. Finally, before sniffing anything in ShB, you have to complete the story quests in expansion two.
It’s such an issue SE is revamping the MSQ in ARR to make it easier to complete.
FFXIV doesn’t respect your free time at all.
Let’s not even address the disrespect SE shows healers.
Well, if you’re playing for first time you would want to complete story and learn how to play anyway. And you don’t need to make alts anyway, since you can pick all the jobs and professions on one character.
I actually like that i have to complete story, it feels like a good single player rpg (starting from heavensward anyway, ARR is pretty meh) with occasional dungeons, trials and raids (actually like group content a lot there)
Why do i say anyway so much.
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Oh god, not another one of these threads… You do realize that “meme” has been going around for years and years now and that you aren’t some wise sage that has have come up with this cliché?
WoW is still PLENTY alive. The fact that they have dragged the bell curve out for over 15 years is absolutely amazing. Most games follow a bell curve in popularity that lasts in the months range, not even in the years range.
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Except MSQ is a one time thing only since all your classes is in 1 character, that’s like gasp an account wide thing that the people here were asking for essence.
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… except that the storyline is why a lot of people actually play FFXIV. It’s not that big a deal that it’s required, it only really becomes a problem if you’re in a rush to reach the endgame. Sometimes a bit difficult for hardcore WoW players to grasp, but an MMORPG doesn’t need to revolve around the endgame.
FFXIV very deliberately decided to have the game revolve around the MSQ.
If you’re there to enjoy the story, which is often the case with the Final Fantasy series in general for the last two and a half decades… well, it’s not much of a problem. ARR’s uneven pacing is due to the fact they didn’t really find their footing until they were leading up to Heavensward, though it still contains valuable world-building moments.
Heck, they even added a “New Game Plus” feature to allow you to re-experience the game’s story (and not just re-watch the cutscenes) at your leisure… well, from certain key breakpoints.
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people who play wow, think wow is the greatest thing on earth. that is the problem.
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It’s a legitimate complaint though.
I bought FFXIV during the 1.0 phase, and stuck with it throughout because I saw the game had potential. When ARR dropped I had a max level white mage and several other classes in the mid levels. Most of which had key abilities stripped away and locked behind Class quests. Have you ever had your abilities that you already quested and unlocked stripped away and locked behind a similar quest to the one you did to gain the ability in the first place? Man is that infuriating.
Needless to say I didn’t stick around ARR very long. And had zero interest in Heavensward. But one of my friends coaxed me into trying out Stormblood. So I bite the bullet, double back and unlock all the abilities for my level 50 White Mage because that still hasn’t been addressed. And find out that I can’t even sniff Heavensward until I do the 275? Boring Go-fer quests that I haven’t done yet from ARR. And of course there were another 300 or so lined up in Heavensward before I could even consider touching Stormblood.
As much as Pathfinder burns my @$$, I’ll give credit where credit is due - at least Blizzard doesn’t force you to do every. F///ing. Quest. From an old expansion before you can move on and play the content you actually want to play. Technically they don’t even force you to do every quest from current content before doing content you want to play. I’ve barely scratched the surface of Zanadalar, but I could be doing M+ and/or raiding right now if the spirit moved me to do so.
I -wish- there was a WoW killer other than WoW itself.
Something good enough to take the thrown from WoW while WoW was still healthy would have been good for everyone. It’s not like that’s a loss for WoW fans. It’d be a win for the MMO genre. Actual competition and potentially innovation, rather than what we have now, which is WoW slowly falling down to where all the other MMOs have been treading water at since forever.
But the modern PvE-focused MMO market is just so… unappealing to me lately.
I think probably the biggest “issue” is that it feels like all of the AAA-quality PvE-focused MMOs worth mentioning focus so hard on entry-level uber-casual endgame that the whole “fashion is endgame” statement is actually true and not just a meme.
Day-to-day content becomes grinding totally faceroll (or old) content to pad meaningless vanity collections or an alt stable, achievements, whatever, because there’s so little challenging content that’s actually relevant that “endgame” actually ends pretty quickly.
GW2? Get your cheap orange gear off the AH and you’re at like 90% power. You can grind out Ascended Gear if you want, but it’s minor. Legendary is entirely pointless.
WoW? Get your Benthic Gear + other freebies and you’ve skipped to Heroic Raid levels of gear. Grats on waiting on timers I guess.
FFXIV? Grind entry level dungeons and leveling dungeons for BiS gear unless you’re wanting to do their equivalent of Mythic Raiding. (Crafting is only relevant if you have a ton of gil to sink into attempting to overmeld).
(Admittedly I haven’t played enough ESO to know how that feels; I disliked it for other reasons)
And the PvP-Centric side of the MMO Market is basically just an endless stream of poor NA ports of uber-grindy, often pay-to-win, Korean MMOs.
As a WoW player that’s always favored mid-tier progression, I don’t feel like the genre is offering enough content aimed at me, and when it does, it’s usually overshadowed by easier content, which kills my incentive to bother.
I realize I kind of shifted gears after my first paragraph. Oh well.
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It’s not. You are in a lucid dream…WAKE UP!! WAKE UP !!!
Some people are too dumb to realize they’re being lied to or too shill to admit it.
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I would honestly like to hear more about FFXIV. I have only played the free trial to whatever the cap was lvl 20 or 40 (I forget) but there was a lot I still didn’t understand in the game. Can FFXIV act as a good replace for Wow and can you be new to the game and catchup to current endgame players fairly easily?
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What an embarrassing thread to make. Threads like this just make me think the modern playerbase deserves whatever they get. You’ve whined for 10 years and this is the game you’ve shaped. Play the game if you like it, don’t if you don’t.
Imagine being so immature you actually believe this.
You’re like the first person that I’ve heard say they didn’t like heavenswards story. I thought it was great personally.
It was for me. I started playing last year and put around 1.3k hours in so far. It’s easily the most new player friendly mmo and the community was great the whole time, I never felt pressured to know everything like I do in WoW & mistakes were OK. Gearing was similar to Justice vendors? You collect tokens from doing end-game and spend it on gear & I personally prefer FFXIV raiding more then WoWs, the bosses were really well designed and fun. Only complaint that I have are classes aren’t that fun until 60+ and it can be slog to get past the base game and into expansions
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That’s because the devs of those other games actually listen to their players and care if their players are having fun. Very much unlike the wow devs who are openly antagonistic toward their players.
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I have been popping back and forth between GW2 and wow for ages. 15 years into wow, well you can not just ditch that and because of that I buy a one month sub and poke around and then back to gw2.
GW2 character customization, big world, personal gathering nodes so you do not have to rush to get there first and the trades are great.
Like the classes, the ability to transmog and dye armour is great. Having a home that you work to put stuff into for you or to share with others.
Great stuff, but still come back here and play for a bit.
The whole gw2 is free to play thing, but I dump a years worth of wow sub money into gems to spend on fancy outfits etc… but mostly just to support the game. I love my Asura holomancer, nasty little girl.
FF14, love that as a breather but have not put time or effort into it like a fan should.
I do not care for the way wow has gone, and this will be the first time I have not bought a pre-release since that option became available. I will wait to see how much hate it generates on the forums first.
I do not think Wow will die for quite sometime, large fan base with many players that let the bad stuff slide as there is good still in there.
I was wondering what happened to these cliché threads.
Life is easy when everyone who doesn’t think like me is a liar or a shill!
Yup the game is designed very well and it shows you the ropes on what the game has to offer. Extremely well thought out how it is all laid out.