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Seems like a grumpy post about not liking the dev team at a cursory glance.
New and exciting topic, yada yada yada.
BFA isn’t great, but I don’t think anyone really expected it to be. It was the “B-Team” expansion, it was focused on the stupid faction war, and they had no idea how to keep things subtle, or provide any major twists, and focused way too much on their undead waifu.
But it’s not a WoW killer. WoW survived WoD. This is just a not great expansion.
I don’t understand your analogy. Surely some of those people do. Most professional environments have some amount of contempt for at least some of their customers. Usually the ones who complaints seem unhinged from reality. That’s fine, I think some of the complaints on this forum are unreasonable. Taking that mentality too far is something that kills businesses. Entire businesses have gone under because they were out of touch with their players and too consumed with their own corporate culture, egos, and kingdom building (in the office politics sense) to notice. Look at Microsoft’s endless failures with making consumer products for one example. Or the destruction of Detroit because american car manufacturers were making cars and then telling people to like them, instead of making cars people like. You can get away with that when you’re the only game in town, but as soon as the japanese show up and make cars with all the features people want, the customers go where the products are.
Blizzard is doing the same thing. Ironically, the Japanese are once again out-competing them (FFXIV). Subscriptions are down and continue to drop. And instead of connecting with the community and making a game people want to play, they keep trying to force us to play the game they want to make, even though the game they want to make is objectively worse in many ways than what it used to be.
I think we definitely agree that the suit wearing MBAs who hold too much power at Activision/Blizzard are also a huge problem, but ultimately the choices about game design rest with the developers, and they need to learn to be mature enough to set boundaries with their bosses (something almost every american has forgotten how to do).
Wow even tho i play it i don’t think it has been the go to mmorpg in the last 4-5 years now ESO/FF took that i don’t think wow has even been mentioned much at all in any rewards in some time to at lest not any web pages i go to like mmorpg. com
You should have actually read the post.
This is the truth.
That is why they hide on twitter.
So you’ve skipped pretty much half of all the content blizzard has ever put out for wow because you don’t like chores and came back expecting what, that there would be no more? I think you’re in the wrong genre my friend.
Also, speaking of assumptions, you shouldn’t assume that someone is going to read generic blizzard bashing thread #11956 and say, “gee, this chap has it all figured out. I bet their post history is filled with insightful suggestions on improvements.”
It’s not a Clone though. It’s based more based on every Final Fantasy Game ever, than WOW. The only similar things are inherent of ALL MMOS from the dawn of Multiplayer RPGs.
It’s easy to have that misconception because when it launched it aped WoW pretty hard.
When it launched it was full of issues, all of which have been fixed. In fact they changed everything about it, fired the original Dev team and Relaunched it as basically a new game. People should look at what it is, not what was released the first time around.
My biggest Issue with it, which is why I fail to finish most FF games, I’m not a fan of Hard linear Rails in RPGs.
Sorry you seem to have misunderstood me. My point is that the people you responded to could have played at any era and formed a view of the game, and the legacy view of the game for people who didn’t play was that it was to some extent a WoW clone/wannabe. Sometimes even though something changes the impression of it doesn’t. This might not be what “should” be, but it is what it is and we all need to live in reality as it exists now, even if we are trying to change what it looks like in the future.
I doubt they are hiding as much as they just don’t care to deal with a bunch of rabid animals waiting to tear apart every last thing they say or type. They can’t even make a simple post on the forum without the outrage crowd jumping at their necks.
For instance, you’ve directly told me that you call Pathfinder “patchfinder” because it makes the developers angry, then you whine about them not communicating with you. lol what? Grow up.
It’s simply not worth their time.
Players are going to rage if they don’t communicate and players will rage even harder if they do communicate.
Hmm… so trying to track down an intangible feeling that’s hard to define?
Those are especially tricky to figure out.
What I can suggest is give an example, perhaps an anecdote, of a moment that captured that feeling of what you’re looking for. You’ll to be a bit specific with what happened, just so we can have something to pull strands at to see what works.
It might not be able to find an exact match… but it can help people figure out what they’re looking for.
Shadowlands is heavily inspired by the recent FF shadowbringers expansion. That is why Blizz is trying to pull WoW refugees back into WoW by making it very alt friendly.
My barber doesn’t tell me they can’t cut my hair because I couldn’t find the shop.
I don’t have to be specific. I started playing EQ a long time ago and found the only game I really liked was a fantasy MMORPG. I play almost no other games unless they are D&D based games or a good Marvel game. I’m probably not the largest segment of the gaming population, but I know I like MMORPGs. Only consistent gaming money I’ll spend is on MMORPGs.
So far only games to get my money consistently have been: D&D games like Neverwinter Nights and Baldur’s Gate, Everquest, World of Warcraft, and Marvel Superheroes by Gazillion (went out of business). I try other games here and there, but they don’t keep me interested even though they often have the same elements as the other games. They just don’t seem to have the overall game experience of the games I pay for.
That’s why it’s hard to say specifically what I’m looking for as I’ve tried other games with what I’m looking for, but they didn’t keep me going. Seems that when a well-made game comes out, people flock to it. I was there when Everquest lost market share to World of Warcraft all those years ago. I even tried EQ2 to see if they had that EQ magic and it didn’t.
I figure at some point, someone will take WoW down. When it happens, I’lll likely be there to play that game.
Funny enough. People whine and cry if a Blizz employee talks to a person on his personal account the same way people talk to him.
City of Heroes has private servers now, have you tried that?
they game has glaring issues but the real underlying problem is most people don’t even want to play the game anymore they just haven’t accepted it yet add on top of the fact that no else has brought a game to market that’s worth leaving a game people have invested years into.
the gameplay is just awful too people use to login to simply play the game not do chores, look at how successful classic is for a 15 year old game and classic is awful rly, people just enjoy the pre wod gameplay
City of Heroes I heard is decent. Can I play Ghostrider, Silver Surfer, or Thor? Gazillion did pretty good renditions of the Marvel characters.
Return of CoH has reminded me of how travel powers can be balanced. Sucks to see WoW going backwards.