People make a fuss about gpyro fire mages…

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:13pm

yes I do. And yea, don’t remember the priest name. Was also Urduja

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:13pm

Here’s a short list of things that mages can do after being kicked on a greater pyro:

Blink/shimmer
Spell steal
Polymorph
Ring of frost
Frost nova
I’ve block

What can a warlock do following a CB kick?

Not to mention how much harder it is to LoS pyro thanks to shimmer.

Fatfreddy-emerald-dream · June 19, 2019, 5:14pm

Oh yea!! That was the monk I think.

I remember after the war games in wod the chaos that ensued…

I tried to ply referee in that one too (it did seem like he was getting bullied too)

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:15pm

In BG settings, it’s crucial to kick heals or nothing dies. Non-heal ‘must kick’ DPS spells should either have a cooldown or a resource cost to prevent infinite chaining.

CB has a resource cost, pyro has neither.

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:15pm

And despite all that, a good Destro (not saying me at all) can still wreak more havoc.

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:16pm

Yea, he handled it like a champ tbh.

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:16pm

Against bad opponents, maybe. There’s less counterplay opportunity for pyro because it’s spammable but needs to be kicked every time, it’s harder to LoS because of shimmer, and there’s more for a mage to do while fire locked.

Fatfreddy-emerald-dream · June 19, 2019, 5:16pm

Tosko nicknamed him Angry K.

Those forums were fun back then (not that they aren’t now).

No stupid trust level grinding…

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:17pm

Idk what to tell you. Fire mage opponents are no issue in the BGs I’ve been in. I’ve been keeping track of damage lately. Most mages are lucky to get off 10 GPBs while I fire off 70-80 cbs

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:19pm

Many disagree with you, as seen here and in various other threads.

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:21pm

Many also agree with me. So what?

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:22pm

So a role call isn’t a reliable measure in either case.

I feel like a pretty well articulated exactly why it’s problematic and your response was that mages aren’t an issue in your experience.

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:23pm

Then we’ll simply have to agree to disagree.

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:23pm

This is the long and short of it. The spell shouldn’t be spammable.

Comparisons to chaos bolt aren’t apt because CB has a steep resource cost, is only threatening during cooldowns, is more harshly punished by good kicks, and is harder to land around LoS due to the warlock toolkit.

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:25pm

This is why separating BG and arena talk is important.

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:26pm

I scarcely ever participate in rated arena and I’m still able to acknowledge the problem.

And LoS was one component of my response.

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:27pm

Most BGs don’t have los is my point. Some have specific areas, sure.

Erelir-bleeding-hollow · June 19, 2019, 5:29pm

Wat

And again, LoS is one part of why it’s problematic. Others are listed above.

Zaxn-tichondrius · June 19, 2019, 5:29pm

How is this thread still active?

Jugaa-arthas · June 19, 2019, 5:29pm

I did say this as well.