People don't bother learning how to play anymore

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No its not,

It’s your choice, to play it as a single player - or as a Hardcore/Casual.

Because they don’t, Again if you don’t even pug or play the game casually, then yes you shouldn’t really care. unless you are going to cry about Content like Warfront? then that’s a different story.

Playing with your Guild/Friends is completely different than the pug life.

If you are going to pug people into your Raid/group, don’t blame the game - Blame your yourself for not putting requirements or checking everyone before you invite. specially Logs/parses.

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It’s easy - it doesn’t affect me. Why does it matter how other people enjoy the game?

Again you’re going with the ‘raider doesn’t like other people seeing his content’ stuff that is ridiculous. If people like that actually existed they would make raids/dungeons in the finder and never invite anyone just because they take sick pleasure in it. They would get people to apply to their guild and never accept anyone because they want to exclude as many people as possible. It doesn’t happen. People don’t think that way.

Old school raiding was extremely elitist. I have no idea what it is now but I would imagine that if I applied for the top raiding guild I would not get an invite. Just the fact that there is generally an application process shows that high end raiding is elitist.

You are not getting 1 over me by doing LFR. Doing LFR to me has the same consequence (none) as doing legacy content. You aren’t doing a real raid, I don’t care if you want to see the art or w/e you think you’re getting out of roleplaying as a raider.

If it bothers you so little why are you arguing so hard to get rid of it?

The couple people you’re carrying in a raid doesn’t mean anything. Your raid is getting better regardless if there is 1 in a hundred players who are not.

That’s not even your initial argument. Raid teams getting better isn’t the same as everyone getting better.

Giving everyone who hits max level a 100% certain I-WIN button to beat the game is garbage. You know it and so does everyone else. Hence the dropping sub numbers each month.

I would imagine you’re also the type of person who believes that people using cheat codes in single player games to experience the whole of the game are also doing it wrong.

I don’t agree with you and you can’t convince me that the only reason sub numbers are dropping is because there exists a category of content that caters to people who don’t want to do high-end raiding. There are a ton of other problems I’d point to before LFR as to why the sub count is decreasing.

Give the game back its original progression system. Subs will climb. Catering to people who want to put as little into the game as possible has been a massive failure and it’s time we move on. The funniest thing to me is how Classic is going to have more people playing it despite it being old content and having less “options (people’s favorite buzzword for giving them stuff they don’t deserve)”
Some options should be taken away because they are bad for the game.

I would tell you go play Classic if that’s the way you feel. Classic won’t fail but it won’t have near the numbers that the retail version will.

Again, at the end of the day, if you need a carrot to chase to participate in non-LFR content you’re going to end up being disappointed every time.

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Yeah can you prove that putting systems back in the game that properly reward players proportionally to the effort they put in would result in less subs?

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How would it affect you… does that guys gear somehow impact your ability to raid… does it impact your ability to log in… does it impact your ability to finish a battleground or rated arena. Or does the fact that people can get Heroic, Mythic level gear for doing nothing while you put in time to get it from said difficulty Raid somehow annoy you.

Again, I think we both have a different understanding of what affects whom because me getting a 350-380-390 piece of gear has no impact, and no affect on you. Unless you are making it an issue. Which in this case you are.

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Okay, so apparently with no progression system (when there clearly was one for everyone) WoW was able to have 10x the subs that they do now. Let’s just ignore that classic and TBC had the most clear cut progression systems of all time and virtually everyone who played the game at that time participated in it. If a ‘tiny part of the playerbase’ is more like 90%+ did raids in classic and TBC then you’re right. The game was just so much better then. You are making me feel nostalgic. The feeling of getting a new character to 60/70 and to do all the attunements, gearing, farming, raiding, pvp that would make me want to log in as much as possible vs the current crap we have is nuts.

Current game: boost a character to 110, spend 8 hours leveling to max, 2 hours gearing at 120 and then 30 minutes to beat G’huun. Pathetic 1/10.

Classic: level a character from 1-60, spend hundreds of hours of gearing for raids, get attuned to raids, spend months working on raids, master your class, maybe never kill the last boss because there is just that much to do. Amazing 10/10

I guess you guys will see how many people are left playing BfA when classic is out. Maybe 200k on US servers?

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They put in M+ for you, it’s exactly what you are looking for. Not a lot of LFR type peeps clearing M+20 these days…

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Why do a +20 when it gives the same reward as 5 minutes of world quests or afk’ing in a warfront?

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except it doesn’t, afking a warfront is once every 3 weeks, and wq’s give trash gear.

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Why play the game when all your gear will get replaced/deleted next patch?

WHY are we even playing all these years when all the Artifact and hardwork we did in legion is nothing now?

Look in the mirror, and you will find the answer.

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Emissaries and invasions both give 370 gear for 5 min of quests.

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Sorry I just looked at your raid achievements and didn’t see any but that would explain why. Those raids were before achievements.
As for Warfronts and assaults you can get to that ilvl easily. My lock alt is a higher ilvl than my main and she has never stepped into a raid and my main has cleared heroic. So it doesn’t take much to get to that point.

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Other people’s gear has an effect on me. To deny this is a joke. Yes, different gear sources impacts an ability to raid. No, it does not affect your ability to log in (what kind of ??? is that anyway?), it absolutely effects bg’s and arenas. Your gear matters in PvP. Did you not know that? Gear sources outside of raids absolutely affects me. Notice that I have only a few pieces of gear from the raid and I should be totally decked out in raid gear if the game was properly balanced?

Of course it annoys me that there are sources of good gear that invalidates the effort it takes to do raids and high M+. Why would that not annoy me? Does the idea that you would have to actually earn rewards in a video game annoy you because you are a whiny, entitled and sanctimonious person?

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You know honestly, that’s going to be the real state of the game in a few years.

Once the ultra-casuals win and drive out all of the elite players then they can turn their attention to the next group that puts in more effort than they do and soon we’ll be in a world where you get called an elitist because you actually still log into the game instead of doing everything passively through a mobile app.

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The issue here is that your definition of such “systems” seems to be other people getting no rewards for content that seems trivial to you, while your mailbox is being constantly stuffed with the good stuff just because you deserve it.

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No if your terrible opinions were implemented and blizzard agreed with you then those things would affect many more players then just hard core raiders.

They have already cut down on catch up gear making azerite armor caches more scarce as well as removing the ability to get 330+ gear from pvp strongboxes. Both have been a huge downfall for 8.1 for me.

This really hampers alt progression as well as hopes to get decent azerite traits if you are new in 8.1 you are practically boned for azerite compared to the players who had it a month or two ago from emissaries. Probably because they are following this backward mentality of pulling the ladder up with me after I climb it.

I am the first person to give upgrades to people on dungeons I am the first to try unproven people for m+ I love trying to help people push their arena ratings, watching people get achievements for the first time is a cool thing. I want to see people improve and like to share around that mentaility so there will be more players like that.

Like I wonder about the person behind the screen that is typing oh me gee filthy casual afks and gets 370 reeeee. The person seems insane to me…

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It’s easy to find a reference in time where nothing matters. When the question at hand is ‘why make a sandwich that takes me time, energy and $4 when I can buy the same sandwich for $3’ you don’t sound smart by saying “well you’ll be dead in 300 years and nothing you did in life will really matter so don’t worry about that sandwich.” Just a tip for you.

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I’m wrong because I think a reward should be proportionate to the effort needed?

So if you and I worked the same job and we both made $50k a year except I worked 10 hours a week and you worked 50 hours a week, you would be ok with that?

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The person who wants a balanced game sounds insane to you. That’s your problem. I wonder what you’re like IRL and how much free stuff you think is owed to you.

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370 azerite gear only and only if you are already 360+ ilvl yourself.
Also invasions will only be 385 come season 2, who cares about 370 gear right now.

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Apparently they would. Let’s be honest though, they only think it’s a good system because it benefits them. If raiders were disproportionately rewarded they would lose their minds. They don’t want fairness. They want handouts and for you to shut up about it.

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