Everyone that plays on a pvp server looks to w pvp at one moment. So you joined a high pop server, in hopes that you might just come on top and your faction and buddies start owning everything. AND when it doesn’t happen, you come on the forums, and hypocritically cry about “balance”.
These people knew what a pvp server was and took the risk associated with it. The solution is simple, level a toon on another server. It’s the same people who demanded they wanted to play on faerlina and herod, then made hundreds of posts saying they don’t like waiting for que times.
It’s simple logic, cause and effect, newton’s laws, what could happen will happen, etc. etc. etc.
It’s the same stuff that led to retail’s demise and why people don’t want to go back. Blizz killed the golden goose.
BUT, it’s player base is never happy, subs are the lowest of all time. Blizzard just had to lay off a chunk of it’s work force yet is more and willing to make the same mistakes.
Exactly. I’m new to WoW; I never played before Classic. My friends were nostalgic for wPvP. I joined, leveled and realized it’s not for me but there’s no way to transfer. I was fine getting ganked from time to time (and returning the favor) but there are 5-10 Horde at all 50+ FPs now. I die within 10 seconds of landing in EPL, WPL, Burning Steppes and Silithus. It takes 20+ minutes just to get to Dungeon entrances. I get it. it’s not for me. Plus, a PvP -> PvE transfer would give Blizzard a better idea of what player count is like since I’m not even logging for raids anymore. FWIW I think a 50:50 server would be really fun to wPvP in, but understand that brings along a whole host of other issues when you try to balance.
This is the point you keep missing. Some of us DID NOT KNOW what PVP servers would be like because we never played before. So please stop saying that we knew what it would be like. WE DIDN’T.
We were talked into PVP servers by others claiming it was the “real” way to play WoW.
Right off the bat you make poor assumptions about intent rather than address a single thing. I’m sure the rest of this post is going to be fantastic…
Oh boy, we were “asking for it” it seems is the path of brilliance you’re choosing today.
Shouldn’t have gotten in that car, you know how dangerous the highway can be!
Well what did you expect working under a boss? You knew he could be really hostile to you!
C’mon it was basically an “open secret” that he was a sex pest, you knew what to expect hanging around him…
Well done.
And despite this being unfortunately false, those of us that played 15yrs ago, never dealt with this level of imbalance in such an extreme level. Servers on Retail that are currently 95%+ one faction didn’t get there in a matter of months, but over several years and several expansions.
With everything on steroids with Classic, player inclination for play and power is driving this to its natural conclusion a lot faster: de facto PvE servers.
If you failed to read the myriad warnings from blizzard explaining that this would happen due to overpopulated servers you are beyond help. You are just on here to whine about the same thing over and over. You were warned, get over it
What warning? All I heard from most everyone was that PVP servers were the bomb. Only losers play on those carebear servers. Only an occasional dissenting opinion which was immediately mocked by the PVP crowd.
Who does it harm to allow transfers to PVE servers? No one. But it will help those that desire it and keep classic more profitable for the creator.
If they just released BGs with honor this wouldn’t have happened. Now the funny part is BGs getting released later won’t help as much as if it had been released initially because so many people are already quitting. GG blizz.
Even if this were true, which it isn’t, and the points have already been made multiple times, does it even matter?
We’re at where we are at. What’s the best path forward from here?
I think allowing them to transfer off is a win-win for everyone involved. Otherwise they just reroll on a pve server or quit. I don’t want people to stop playing WoW Classic over something like losing 2 months of progress and having to start from scratch, i don’t think that’s beneficial to anyone.
Allowing PvE transfers was a thing in Vanilla, both free and paid. It’s a Vanilla solution to a Classic problem.
Seriously, I can’t think of a single credible reason why people would be against this.
This should tell you everything you need to know about this dude. This is a blatant lie, server swaps did not happen until mid wotlk, and when that happened, Subs went down DRAMATICALLY. Entire servers died.
No, they most certainly did happen during Vanilla. The people who got me into WoW transferred from Maelstrom (one of the first RP-PvP servers) to Kael’Thas (a PvE server) during Vanilla.
Back then, you could not transfer PvE to PvP at all. It was either server type to server type, or PvP to PvE. In Wrath all restrictions between server types were removed.
Awareness presupposes acceptance of potential outcomes
Therefore, knowledge of potential outcomes presupposes acceptance of potential outcomes
That I selected specific examples that display the stupidity of this logic is entirely valid. It is trivially true that someone can be aware of potential negative outcomes and still be able to note their existence, note a lack of solution to them, and desire or even suggest a solution. That’s why guardrails and labor laws exist.
Blizzard has already done population tuning and manipulation for the sake of player experience and expectation for the last 15yrs. You, a dullard, declaring that we “knew what we signed up for” ignore the entirety of any discussion in favor of just trolling.
Don’t make stupid arguments if you don’t want them revealed to be such.
I applaud your attempts to delegitimize my premise /clap. BUT there is a solution, and it’s level another character on a different server.
Your solution is a solution of convenience. He’s already stated that there’s not much to do, he already rushed to 60, and is bored. So… he could just wait another few weeks for the next phase and see whether or not he wants to level another character.
As far as people saying there were server swaps in vanilla, didn’t happen. That or I was completely unaware of it.
TL;DR … can you post a Cliff’s Notes version of your book?
Dumb suggestion, stupid idea, rerolling on a different server is the 12 year old’s bad solution to a real problem.
Offer paid transfers for those who don’t like it. Done. Blizz wins, you win, whiners go away, etc, etc, etc, gg, gimme all your stuff before you leave.
“If you don’t like driving on the highway that takes you to your job, connects your home and family to other family and friends, and is near your community… just move!!” - the brilliant man says
You’re making another dumb argument.
I wonder if you even have an inkling of what my solution even would be?