Any solution that requires GMs is dead on arrival. Soulless corporation isn’t going to spend money on that, their moderation is heavily automated.
The optimal solution was always going to be providing players with more statistics in-game to identify problem players before having to interact with them. The alleged trolls immediately bricking keys isn’t possible if you can see that their account wide leave ratio is like 50% of all of their keys, or that their average time to leave is less than a minute.
Or imagine being able to get an average of how the last say, thousand players rated them? Be a massive jerk, but still following the rules? Doesn’t matter, because people notice their 1 star out of 5 state roach motel rating and don’t invite.
They could solve countless problems with the game if they’d just give the community access to the stats to naturally solve the problem themselves.
But it comes back to the soulless corporation aspect. Probably strong correlation to people who impulsively buy store items and gold tokens, and people who impulsively treat other players like garbage. So we would never see any system that rooted those types out.
We still don’t even know if bans actually happened. It either hit very few abusers, or the ones it hit were so egregiously in the wrong they didn’t come crying to the community about it. Or, they just made an idle threat in hopes players would stop the absolute worst behavior.
There will always be these people, at any time during a season. Too bad the game doesn’t give people feedback about making mistakes, but at this point that’s deliberate. So the game intends there to be a lot of players who have no idea they’re making specific mistakes, and thus will continue on the same way.
I believe them that they happened. But I also think it was a tiny number of trolls who got suspended, after many complaints about “they should ban all the bad players, because they’re being bad on purpose to brick my key”. If it was common, everybody would know somebody it happened to.
Did you even suggest to the group that you should call it? The one example Blizzard did say was acceptable was if there was a group decision to end it. You don’t have to just suffer in silence… healers who die to everything are infuriating.
You absolutely cannot trip their logic unless you leave in the first 90 sec after the key was dropped and do it hundreds of times in a week. That’s the intent and no, they’re not going to tell us the exact thresholds so that griefers can game around that knowledge, but The Blue Post was pretty clear.
If you read those bold parts and think that means you (leaving 6-10 keys a week out of 50), I really think the paranoia simply has hold of you. I’m sorry if that’s the case as it likely kills your enjoyment of the game. Either you can trust and ignore this or if it’s constantly nagging at you, do something else besides M+ (or even play a different game). People were literally spam-joining groups and leaving as soon as the key dropped and the timer started; that’s actual griefing with clear intent to ruin someone else’s chance at fun (there’s zero chance to misinterpret that when it happens so frequently).
The only ones worrying about this are griefers that still want to grief without getting caught and those who are simply paranoid and distrusting of most authorities. If I knew you IRL I’d put $100 on the table that you will never get banned based on the criteria Blizzard described above.
Some people get off on making others miserable… basic human psychology. I’m pretty sure that’s a damaged individual classified as a psychopath.
Nobody likes vague, but based on fear of being banned I would expect that people will not misbehave (if they were before) or they will just not do M+ (if they were behaving but are incredibly paranoid).
I get what a troll is. I’ve dealt with them for a very long time and I’m very good at identifying them. I’m just saying the pattern of behavior. Most trolls prefer quick methods to upset people. Something like that just seems like more effort than most trolls are willing to invest.
That’s why I asked more questions to others. The one guy who said leaving is griefing… they’re not always the same. Similar analogy, if my kid brings in groceries and drops the carton of eggs. That’d be annoying but they didn’t do it to make me annoyed. They were just clumsy. So someone leaving your key may have just been one of those younger generation people who’re easily offended and get upset at the first mistake. They didn’t go into the dungeon with the intent of leaving or upsetting someone.
Blizzard is not targeting the kind of person you’re describing. They are targeting serial leavers with clear intent (based on Blizzard’s judgment) to grief others.
Most of the upset I see here is that some players want specific details of the conditions that Blizzard would judge “intentionally, a great many times, repeatedly, and recklessly disrupted M+ groups.” You say you can recognize a troll… Blizzard is saying the same, but they’re not going to give details (anymore than you likely tell your kid “if you drop the eggs on the floor more than X times in Y days, you’re going to get a punishment)”. You just expect your kid to be careful handling groceries and Blizzard expects players not to violate the TOS by intentionally griefing.
That didn’t answer his question. He asked how saying what he did is trolling.
You think anyone who leaves a key is griefing and someone who says vague rules are not good are trolling. Do you know what those words mean? Don’t answer that, it’s rhetorical. It’s been explained in very simple terms to you multiple times. You’re using a misnomer.
