Penalty For Leaving M+

I know specifying the ban policy doesn’t solve the problem. That is why I consider it a bad policy.

A good policy should be clear to the community so everyone can understand and follow it. But, a ban policy like this has to be vague to be enforced, which in turn causes confusion and unnecessary worry to players.

So, the real answer should not be about trying to fix the ban policy. Ban policy should not have been implemented in the first place. People leave keys for many different reasons under many different circumstances that even Blizzard has to review before take can make a decision. Therefore, it is not a good idea for Blizzard to spend time for reviews and try to figure out who to ban.

Instead, they should have implemented something that protects players when there is a leaver, such as 2-3 charges for keys.

Yeah, you’re trolling if you legitimately believe banning intentional griefers is something Blizzard should not be doing.

I never said intentional griefers should not be banned. Banning intentional griefers is of course good. If there was an effective way of doing it, I’d support it.

However, Blizzard doesn’t have a good way of identifying such players. They claim they are banning only the intentional griefers, but no one really knows what their standard for that is.

Some people are even staying in bad keys because of this. They don’t want to risk getting flagged by Blizzard. That is why I don’t support a vague ban policy. It is not that I don’t support banning griefers.

If we dont know what that standard is, how can you claim they do not have a good way of identifying such players?

You are right. I have no way of knowing.

Maybe they have a great way to identify griefers. Or maybe they are just taking shots in the dark. There is no way for players to know.

I assume some people believe Blizzard must be doing a good job behind the scenes. I just feel more doubtful about it.

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Probably because of their track record and reputation. Those alone are enough not to give any reasonable person confidence.

You are absolutely allowed to think Blizzard is doing a bad job based on having absolutely no evidence. But it will make me doubtful of your claims when we look at the context of this situation.

Full transparency would be a joke. Such a silly idea it shouldnt even be entertained.

The only alternative you seem to be allowing is to do nothing.

So you get 1 of 2 choices. A vague (but not really vague if you use the smallest amount of common sense) policy, or let people intentionally grief.

If you dont want to like it based on zero evidence at all, thats on you.

And the alternative that I should trust?

Random people on the forums with no insight into how things are working? That group of people has a stronger track record?

And specifically, which track record are you referring to?

Are we seeing a huge influx of people claiming they were wrongly banned in the wave, and them being truthful? Its been a while. We both know those claims would have been posted all over these forums.

A reasonable person would not be nearly as skeptical.

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People are free to trust whoever or whatever they want. If someone wants to trust a source that’s not reliable, that’s on them.

I agree.

Stating that the current policy is not trustworthy based on zero evidence is completely unreliable.

Evidence? It’s vague and ambiguous.

If someone thinks that’s good, there really is no way to help them.

Its not really.

It just requires a reasonable amount of common sense.

Giving a specific number would be hilariously stupid.

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One guy said he leaves 90% of his keys. One guy said he leaves a lot. One guy said he leaves most of his keys. All of them said they do this after the implementation and were not banned.

Show me the common sense in that.

A few things.

There has not been a second ban wave. So people leaving after an implementation are irrelevant.

And there is more context than merely leaving a key.

We know, objectively, that people have been banned that it was not merely lip service.

We also know people can not be truthful on forums. Weird you will instantly believe anything a person on the forum says, with such a high bar for Blizzard, though.

With all due respect, I have a bridge to sell you.

Which point do you feel I am being gullible on?

Has there been a second ban wave?

Is this false?

Or this?

Weird you seem to instantly believe anyone that supports your narrative.

Every single one. You’re grasping at straws.

If you read the thread, you’ll see that’s not true. But I’m not going to be one of those goofballs who use the scapegoat of “go read the posts”. Sure, it’s only 155 right now, but that’s not a reasonable thing to ask.

…what?

ok man.

Moving on.

Cant handle the obvious trolling today.

I’d say have a good day, but you would somehow twist it into something else.

And there’s the classic “troll” concession. I really did hope you were at the very least, better than that. Having read some of your posts before, you’re not a bad person. Just naive in this sense.

Yes, you have a good day as well.

rolls eyes

We have objective knowledge that people have been banned. We have responses from Blizzard stating why they were banned.

But you consider those statements, threads, being gullible.

We have no knowledge of a second ban wave. Which means someone doing something after the first wave is immaterial as of now. Because those actions wouldnt have consequences yet.

We know people twist the truth on the forums. Objectively.

But you consider all of that objective information, being gullible?

What isnt gullible? Believing conspiracy theories like you have supported in this thread. Ones which contradict known facts.

What isnt gullible? Believing a person who’s entire opinion is based on “i have no evidence”

So, yeah. Thats why I brought out the “trolling” concession. This level of double standards is hard to accidentally do.

You can feel I am naive because I like believing facts. Maybe one day I will be smart like you and like any conspiracy theory that lines up with my personal biases.

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I thought we were moving on? You’ve made it clear you’re ready to die on that hill. I… wish you the absolute best of luck. I really mean that.