Being ambiguous leaves far too many questions open and will end up with several people who thought they were playing legit being caught in the web.
Yes, someone may see an explicit rule and try to skate the line, but if your really think about it, that’s not always as bad as you would imagine. Some people like to make things out to be far worse than they really are. They’ll have 1 or 2 bad experiences and comment as if it happens to them every time they log in. It’s like a law. As long as they’re meeting the written amount, the problem is at an acceptable level.
Griefing and trolling are intentional, trying to cause negative reactions from people. Someone who is overly sensitive does not mean they were intentionally trying to upset you. But a clear boundary would force them to learn to accept that not every run will be perfect. People too often think any negative situation they are in, the other person was rubbing their hands together and giggling to themselves. It’s similar to these forums. How often do you see people say something another does not agree to and the person immediately thinks they’re trolling? I see it in the majority of threads I read.
It’s not. I literally explained how setting explicit lines can easily be exploited.
Except we are literally talking about people who are griefing and trolling intentionally to begin with. Not the people who leave keys once in a while. Those people already don’t need to worry about being penalized. The ones who rage quit frequently or join keys with the intent to troll are the ones who will take advantage of knowing exactly how many keys they can ruin before being actioned on.
I understand you explained it, but I explained why you were mistaken. I respect your thoughts on the matter, but it’s unfortunately what’s known as reaching. I do not say that as disrespect.
I explained why you were mistaken. Life isn’t black and white. Almost all things live in the grey and to make a statement like “always having clear lines is good” is inherently wrong.
You tried to explain why, but you missed the mark, unfortunately.
I’m an expert on writing rules, which is why it was so easy for me to pick apart the extremely poorly written rules here before.
When you’re vague, it opens up far too many questions. Blizzard’s rules are 1 notch above “Don’t do anything wrong”.
Blizzard’s vague rules being bad is exasperated by the fact that the ones who “hand out” the penalties are entry level, minimum wage employees. What kind of rational thought do you think people like that have with no education? Then to top it off, you give them the flexibility to cherry pick what to infract. That’s why Blizzard games are so notorious for gross inconsistency with rules being handed out. Imagine one leaver who does it 3 times and gets banned but another guy who has 2 dozen under his belt, still doing it.
It’s not self-proclaimed, it’s what I do professionally.
The nice thing about actually being one is that you can easily spot who isn’t because they’ll say things that are incorrect, case in point.
What is a high rate? The only way you can really tell if someone did it with malicious intent is if they comment about it. Otherwise, you’re making a wild assumption.
Of course there will be times it’s acceptable. Maybe their power went out. But them being so ambiguous, combined with incompetent people “looking into it” is not a good mixture.
They’re probably referring to people who do it all the time. But again, that falls into what I’ve been explaining. When you’re so vague like this, your guess is as good as someone else’s, and could very well be just as wrong.
Inconsistency of infractions combined with extremely ambiguous rules, it’s no wonder there are so many out there who are confused or have no idea what they were infracted for. Then you exacerbate that with a robot reply when you ask that doesn’t even answer your question. It just makes bad systems worse.
To add, I’m not trying to protect people who leave because I’ve experienced it before on my keys and yes, it’s infuriating, but as anyone can see in this thread alone, ambiguity leads to a LOT of assuming, and fishing expeditions.
The bottom line is to continue playing the exact same way as you were playing before.
If you get banned, it means you are intentionally griefing keys.
If you don’t get banned, it means you aren’t; or aren’t to an extent to where you get reported enough to be put on Blizzard’s radar.
It’s literally that simple. The only people who are going to get banned are ones who do it habitually and intentionally, as Blizzard said. If you’re not doing that, you have nothing to worry about. And if you are doing that to a point where you are concerned about being banned, you probably deserve it.
If you get banned, it means you were leaving more than the programmed threshold was set to. It does not mean you were griefing. I explained this to you already. Griefing is intentionally trying to upset someone. We live in 2025, the amount of overly sensitive people is staggering. All it takes is one of them who get stressed/anxious at the first mistake to leave. They weren’t rubbing their hands together thinking “I’m going to ruin Gneusch’s day!” They were just upset.
You make “rules” professionally, but can’t understand that black and white rules don’t always work?
Here’s the thing, and this isn’t about you specifically, but tons of people are bad at their jobs.
There are ways to tell if someone leaves maliciously without commentary. Do you think Blizzard only looks at chat logs? They can see if someone leaves as soon as the key goes in, which rarely, but does happen. They can see if someone leaves consistently after 1 death or wipe. They can see patterns of behavior.
The rate of leaving is also part of the criteria and the fact that more people are talking about theory than actual cases of it happening show that it’s being blown way out of proportion.
Here’s the logical follow through:
Did you get a suspension?
If no, continue with your pattern of behavior. Which includes leaving keys at the same rate.
If yes, learn from your mistakes and leave less keys.
In order to be on Blizzard’s radar you had to have first been reported by enough groups within a window of time. One entire group reporting you only counts as 1 report.
Next, once you are flagged, a moderator has to review the report and figure out if you left an exceeding amount of keys with malicious intent or not.
So you’re one of those who think someone is trolling because they don’t agree.
I didn’t say they always work, I said they’re far more successful. Thankfully, I’m good at my job.
So you believe an entry level, minimum wage employee has the skills needed to look at someone leaving a match to determine they were doing it maliciously? I know you’re smarter than that.
It’s not that you don’t agree, it’s that you’re not actually making any valid rebuttals and you’re just nitpicking verbiage and making strawman arguments.
Case in point. You’re conveniently ignoring the fact that these bans are targeted at a large amount of repetitive and intentional actions to try and make your faulty argument. inb4 he tries to say “bUt wHat cOnsTituTes a LarGE aMoUnt” again.
Yes they are. I have no reason to use any fallacious argument. I’m a fact person.
That being said, my question to you was rhetorical. I know you know that someone in that situation doesn’t have the competency required to make a determination in that regard. So take someone like that, give them rules they can cherry pick and you’ve basically given a kindergartener a potato gun. What harm could it do?
It’s not nitpicking. You’re using a term that means a person who is deliberately trying to cause you to be upset when you do not know that for a fact. You’re assuming that’s what their intention was.
A guy goes to a checkout line, thinks what he’s buying is $20. It rings up for $100. He says “No thank you”. He said that because he did not want to buy it for $100. He was not trying to frustrate the cashier.
I didn’t ignore anything. I’m questioning when someone says “too much”. What is too much? I’m seeing several made up definitions on what makes it “too much”.
They are being paid $17.27 an hour? Where is your source?
People can and do take their jobs seriously even when paid hourly. Their jobs are also dependent on performance metrics and will look bad if they have high rates of false positives during appeals. Because appeals takes time which costs money.
Being explicit is not always more successful. World is not black and white.
Lets not sealion. I’m not doing that to you, I ask the same in return.
You can take your job seriously and still be incompetent.
When you look at quantity of times someone leaves, all you’re going to see is a number. Without someone saying “haha see ya losers!” or something similar, how can you honestly tell someone was trying to cause a problem? People often forget that we live in an era where people are offended by everything.
You’re factually incorrect on that. You’re welcome to disagree. I do appreciate your rationale.