Based on the other replies here, it’s safe to assume out of the two of us who is the liar here
Based on this reply, you have no idea when that pack actually released if you think speed run was an appropriate response.
Someone doesn’t know how to scroll gd, other gaming forums, or google in general it seems.
Tbh your replies are so silly, I thought you meant player level boosting via dungeons… especially since blizzard boosts happen at the end of xpacs with the prepurchase of the next xpac… for catch up.
Like the ‘mop’ one. That came with the wod xpac prepurchase. Wow lvl 90 boost at the end of mop is game breaking
Totally p2w. How dare blizzard add catch up benefits to prepurchases.
I’ve been gaming since i was 3 and the first gaming related thing i’ve touched was my PC. Maxis games were my jam and then the Ps1 entered in my life with the Spyro and Tony Hawk games and then the PS2 later on with everything else while still having a PC in my life then.
The earliest form of MTX i’ve seen is with The Sims 2 with it’s shop back in it’s day, and that’s before TES4’s horse armor and the onslaught of DLC in a lot of the 7th gen titles being an early concept of MTX. Earlier then that would be Ultima Online’s Skill Boosters in 2001.
If this is what you consider a good agruement for your opening here, to say i’ve not been playing video games for long, then… i don’t think i would be missing out on anything you’ve said here if i just simply skip your comment here then.
Probably, I already muted the thread but frankly he’s not the brightest person to make a post on this thread, the other guy we were arguing with is significantly better at arguing.
But gear is not the WIN condition in wow , POWER is not the win condition in wow it is finishing faster than others, getting the first hit in that is the win condition in wow everything else in game contributes to that . Your ilvl is just not enough
Take the most competitive guild out there - Limit
Tell them not to buy boosts , not to buy and sell carries, not to do any RMT ever and just play the game . They will not WIN world first infact the Alliance Guild “Just Honestly” would beat them because they do all of the above .
This game has been pay to win ever since Vanilla. However 99.9 % of the players in this game are not effected by this because they don’t Really compete.
When I think of “Pay to Win” , I think of buying the best gear through the shop. Or buying attunements through the shop. Or Challenge Modes. Wow doesn’t really have that.
At worse you buy WoW gold with IRL money; and then pay others to carry you. That doesn’t seem bad to me - Blizzard should set up a “sell sword” interface, as a matter of fact. Mercenaries have been a thing in Warcraft since the RTS.
I don’t think typically we count currency farmers or boosters done by the community, as something P2W, but something of debateably cheating or at least unsanctioned by the devs.
Check my achievements. Thanks for playing. (Context here is how much I’ve done this xpac)
You literally said hitting 20 renown before the next patch drops is speed running…
Clearly play waaaaaaaaay more than you if you think these things are p2w.
Like a level boost? oof.
Quote me where I’ve complained about something.
I’ve been pointing out how much of a silly goose you are, where as you’ve been complaining about things like boosts being p2w.
I litteraly given the info of what they said on the store there.
So you’re saying none of this exists?
So playing the Xpac means getting achievements…
That doesn’t really tell for the amount of time were suspose to be playing that is better then just swiping the card since they can be done at any time. Unless you’re talking about a 1 to 3 week window here which that’s still slower then 5 minutes with the credit card.
Care to point where i’ve said that exact phrase then?
I’ve asked you what you’ve mean by “Played the xpac” since that’s a nebulous term without any real definition.
Doesn’t matter if you “Played” more or not. It’s still P2W. You’re just using your subjective experience to say “No it’s not P2W”…
Objectively, as i’ve said before, it falls under the umbrella regardless.
IF you think it’s important to see other people’s experience in a topic that need no such thing, then you are just a disingenuous person. And quite frankly, people like yourself are the reason why we have Diablo Immoral.
Boosts, Skips, timesavers, buying outright power or gold: Same umbrella, different name.
…Why are you quoting then? Kind of contradictory and double standardish to point only me quoting, but be fine when somebody else does it.
I don’t see you getting annoyed when somebody else quoted you…
Saving time with a boost for leveling does not rile me up much - the great degeneracy is buying raid clears and I think that BY FAR meets the definition way more for pay2win / and that’s players selling that not the company.
Advantage and unfair advantage aren’t the same thing. Boom you skipped to level 70 because you leveled 1-69 765 times now and just want to get to current content.
If the argument is but you saved time that’s the advantage I’m agreeing but of course it is - what would be the point if it didn’t afford you that? lol why would they sell it?
But at least for the boosts with the expansion- everyone gets one it comes with any level of the expansion. So that nullifies that’s not fair you can do that not me.
Back to the unfair advantage v advantage thing.
If the boost made your character instantly be geared for high keys or you could walk straight from boosting into mythic raids and be very competitive that would be my definition of unfair advantage because that to me is true pay2win in textbook form.
But the boost doesn’t do that . You get ok-ish gear to help you play the content for the level you boosted to. That’s it. You still have to play and do the quests like everyone else if you want to get to playing 20 keys or mythic raids you still need to earn the gear to be viable/ invitable into those groups.
I won’t ever agree if the comeback is saving time. That’s not unfair to me. That’s not pay2win . For what I said above and also I’ll use myself as an example- I don’t raid I don’t do high keys , heck the last key at any level I can’t rightly tell you how long ago that was I could only guess.
Will I use the boost with the expansion yes, without a single ounce of shame as well. I boost I quest I explore I jump into dungeons after I got decent gear by just playing the game … so that play style is exercising pay2win?
That was rhetorical I know you said yes. Well I disagree.
But that’s my rant on this . But if you feel differently ok cool that’s what opinions are it’s a game nothing important.
