There is a bad trend where BlizZard says an expansion is alt friendly (eg Systemlands and Covenants) and it turns out to not be the case. This might happen with DF as well if they stick through with PF shenanigans.
DF entire selling point is “play how you want”. And they are about to throw it out the window by forcing in PF which only causes more frustration then community building. DF unlike SLs has a smaller population to hold onto and the last thing that is needed is to see more players driven away.
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And yet you’ve had plenty of time.
Blizzard has given you all the tools you need to get the requirements done and due to your own inaction you haven’t gotten there. That’s no one’s fault but your own.
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So now we are resorting to blaming players because they don’t play a certain way?
I thought DF was the expansion where you play how you want. If that is not the case then what makes DF better than the previous expansion?
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If you choose not to raid, is it Blizzard’s fault that you don’t have gear from the raid?
If you choose not to PvP, is it Blizzard’s fault that you don’t have PvP gear?
No, it isn’t.
So why is it Blizzard’s fault if you don’t have renown at certain levels?
You chose not to do the content that would get your renown to the required level. Blizzard didn’t force you not to do the content. They didn’t hold a gun to your head and demand you not do that content. You had time, you could be at renown 15 with all currently available factions by now. If you’re not, that is 100% on you.
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BlizZard said that DF was play how you want.
So now we are going back to blaming players that choose to do PVP, raids or level alts?
Why are we going backwards again? What is the point of DF if it is going to be locking players into a “main” like SLs did?
One step forward and then three step back never wins in the end.
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That’s quite the entitled mindset there.
Why do you suddenly care what blizzard says now? You didn’t when they introduced this idea of Pathfinder lol.
Yes. If you don’t do certain content, you won’t get certain prizes.
This is not a new or hard to understand concept.
Yes, because again, actions have consequences.
This is like blaming McDonalds for you being overweight after eating there constantly. McDonalds didn’t make you order all those Big Macs. You chose to do that, you get to deal with the consequences of your decision.
If you choose to do nothing but PvP, you don’t get to have a whinge that you don’t have access to mythic raid rewards.
Likewise if you choose to do mythic raiding and nothing else, you don’t get to have a whinge that you don’t have access to elite PvP sets.
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You must be new because people disliked PF since day one.
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You didn’t get anything else from that reply?
Interesting
Also, not everyone hates Pf, you do not speak for all.
That makes no logical sense in that the history of this game pre Legion was very alt friendly and not main focused. In fact it was account bound for the history of this game starting WotLK and onwards.
This narrative that it is the players fault is a new low when we are coming from the heels of an expansion (SLs) where players were forced into playing mains for what gain?
People wanting to play alts, other specs or do other things like PVP and M+ were punished for playing a certain way.
Punishing players that play differently has never made sense which is why PF was shouted down at BlizZcon when it was announced.
It has never been “popular” as arm twisting players into a time played metric always causes frustration and animosity.
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If they just gave in, fewer people would have things to complain about. Except cowardly world-PVP gankers who revel in others’ misery and enjoy exerting power and misery over people who can’t defend themselves.
They are. You’re the one that’s trying to say it’s all not valid when it very much is.
Dragonflight is by far the biggest snooze fest since Grade B movies from yonder past. I was so bored I could barely even complete enough of the questline just to open the portals in Valdrakken.
And this has been debunked over and over and over again - bots are at least a magnitude times more proficient than regular players at dragonriding. They’re better at it than the best players will ever be because they can calculate exact trajectory angles and flight decays. Even if they can’t, it’s not that hard for a bot to mash the right buttons and hope something works - they’ll get there eventually, and to a player that’s botting 50 to 100 accounts at once that’s all they need anyhow.
So this lame excuse of “botting” to block the TBC style flying is poorly thought through, and shows a complete lack of technical knowledge in how botting actually works. Besides, a bot will just accidentally activate pathfinder through their daily activities anyhow.
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It is very disgusting to accuse players that like TBC flying as bots or to make fun of people with disabilities. It truly shows how ugly that type of person(s) can be to dehumanize another person because they just play differently.
BlizZard has allowed the toxicity toward the TBC flying community to stew on these forums way too long.
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It literally was not.
People have been complaining about WoW not being alt friendly since Vanilla.
Remember how back in TBC if you wanted access to heroic dungeons you needed to grind rep to revered with multiple factions? Yeah, that was a per character thing, not an account-wide unlock.
Attunements for raids? Those were character specific. If you didn’t have the attunement on your alt, you weren’t going on your alt.
And you’re forgetting that Pathfinder was added in WoD, which required a significant rep gain to unlock there too.
So no, this game has NEVER been alt friendly. People just convinced themselves that it was.
WoW made huge strides to address that post Vanilla.
But then took a huge step backwards post Legion.
No wonder why people feel retail is so restrictive and over designed, but that is my opinion.
End of the day, actions have consequences.
If you chose not to grind the rep, then too bad, so sad, you won’t have Pathfinder until you do. And admittedly I am in that boat, but unlike some muppets on this forum, I accept that it is my fault that I don’t have the rep because I’ve been doing other things with my time instead of rep grinding.
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Grinding rep for players that play alts makes no sense when they probably play more of the game than you do.
So why are they punished if they play more of DF content than you do?
Explain that.
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I’ve already explained all that needs to be said.
Actions have consequences.
It’s not Blizzard’s fault you chose to mess around on an army of alts and not progress a single character to earn rewards.
End of story.
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BlizZard has made the choice to punish players that play alts or returning players with PF.
That is the lesson we learned so far. But that can change with feedback.
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The problem with your argument is people don’t need renown 15 to fly. We’ve been flying for a year. We need renown 15 to fly slower, which is completely stupid. That was never the point behind Pathfinder.
Also, people haven’t known for a year that they’re going to need renown 15 with everyone to fly. Since regular flying is inferior to dragonriding, it would have been safe to assume that there wouldn’t be any stupid requirements to go slower.
But people forget how spiteful Blizzard can be.
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TBC flying release was not even on the future release timeline of DF road map regarding when it would be out and what the requirements would be.
People can call me a conspiracy theorist but we were this close to not having TBC flying in current DF content.
The metrics must be bad for BlizZard having to bring TBC flying into DF and also because they made the promise. Breaking that promise would have been bad…
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