I would love if they did update everything but at the same time, I wouldnt want them to cut content for it, it would be dumb of them to update the old world instead of focusing on shadowlands. But thats why I want a new cata style xpac.
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I would give anything for an expansion thatâs all about rebuilding Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. I doubt theyâll ever do it because itâs not the kind of epic, Rule of Cool thing that can be hyped at Blizzcon to roaring crowds, but I personally would love it.
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Why would they give up the land? There is no reason to do so since nobody will ever be able to stop them. They defeated the enemy and got countless new ressources and new land, there is not a single reason for them to give up the zone
Anduin gives the Horde the zone because he wants peace at all costs, and trying to get back ashenvale could endanger that while it would only please the few remaining night elves (and they hardly make up a nation anymore, just a few refugees). This is probably also why Tyrande doesnât want to sign the treaty, so now everyone is at peace with the horde besides the Night Elves so the Horde can attack them without having to worry about the rest of the alliance.
Itâs risk vs reward.
Risk: Losing the chance of peace with the Horde
Reward: The few remaining night elf refugees will be a bit happier and they would still contribute absolutely nothing to the Alliance.
Seeing this, why would Anduin care about Ashenvale?
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Nice try but why is genn ok with it? if anduin wants peace at all cost why did he fight the war for as long as he did, why did he attack the zandas? and you didnt even touch why baine or thrall would keep it. You know that baine is like tauren anduin right? You have played horde before right?
I can see anduin just giving the horde anything they ask for at this point.
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Blizzard just saying that the Night Elves took Ashenvale back is literally the way they ended that conflict in Cataclsym/Mists.
To stop fighting a costly war that they are losing against the Night Elves.
But the zone is horde only now and the night elves donât have the required military strength in order to reclaim the zone. Itâs costly for them at all since there are barely any night elves left, so nothing they have to fight against when the Horde wants to defend the zone.
The Night Elves and Alliance have exactly as much military might as they need to do what Blizzard declares they do next. You say they donât have enough, Iâm not sure thereâs a lore source for that claim.
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In 8.2.5 we have learned that the Alliance is at a significantly weaker spot than the Horde. With all factions besides the Night Elves signing a peace treaty with the Horde, the Horde can just hold on to that zone, attack the Night Elves and they wonât get any support from the Alliance. Itâs pretty clear that Ashenvale is going to stay in Hordeâs hands.
I donât know why I point out headcanon but I do. The horde is having issues even fighting naga next patch they canât protect anything outside there core borders and btw anduin said he got enough troops for one push and we know for a fact that the full might of the alliance isnât there
There is no such thing as âcompromiseâ when it comes to sacred lands. Thatâs why the Israel question is such a hot topic with no end in sight.
Only someone who doesnât understand religious fundamentalism or canât wrap their brains around non-EK alliance powers think Horde in Ashenvale can be seen as acceptable without characters acting out of character.
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Sacred Lands wonât be so sacred should the deity it is sacred to turn(for blatantly Evil reasons) against the very people who hold the land sacredâŠ
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The Israel situation is deep seeded in some very deep crap and nowhere near the proposed hypothetical situation.
The proposed situation, that was pitched entirely for the sake of demonstration; is different in that the deal would demilitarize Ashenvale. There is no civilian populace of the Horde that lives in Ashenvale, it is solely a military occupation. The arrangement would remove the Hordeâs army from its forests, in exchange for civilian assets, such as lumberjacks and game hunters, to collect resources, in a specific region, up to a mutually agreed quota, during select periods of time.
To end a very bloody war that just crippled and bankrupted two of the worldâs greatest powers without a single blow inflicted in anger, that is a respectable start of a negotiation, with wiggle room to change the terms until both parties are satisfied.
Hence the core topic that was focused on; compromise being the sole part of politics. Give and take.
Israel is an entirely different can of worms and has no mutual ground to the discussion.
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Except the Horde has had such opportunities before, and has squandered them due to greed. Giving the Horde any concessions to Ashenvale rewards the Hordeâs war-mongering. The Night elves have previously allowed the Horde to do such in Ashenvale, and they abused it.
Small wonder the Horde is always picking fights and wars. They get rewarded for it. Its not the Allianceâs fault that the Horde fails at land management 101.
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Fixed that for you.
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Things that would clearly upset the Night Elves, for them theyâre more than trees. And they donât touch them to harvest wood.
Also they traded wood with the Horde often, wood acquired through their ways (non-damaging ways). Garrosh simply decided to do a city makeover, and got mad at the lack of resources then decided ââF it, weâre taking whatever we please with no concerns, MURDER THEM ALLââ
Itâs funny when the whole ââLordearon belongs to the Humans!ââ argument is countered with ââThe Forsaken are the rightful leadersââ but the ancestral lands of the Night Elves, that are their rightful claim, for some reason can now be Horde territory just cuz.
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I kind of want to see what the horde council going ask for at this point for some reason I can see them asking for half of eastern kingdoms.
Still waiting for people to give some proof that bain or thrall would keep the lands if that had them
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Thrall and baine probably wouldnât want the lands but their only two votes now within the council itâs what the majority wants. So you have to look at all the council members and see what they would want to get.
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Why would thalyrissa want the lands, or lothermar, both of them regret teld, and the war too. Please explain why anyone in the council would want those lands (protip you cant, they are all peace lovers)
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