I like to think these 180 responses are for me instead of the link.
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Because theyâre the token twilight race doomed to dwindle and fade along with their magic to be replaced by cold steel and the machinery of heavy industry.
They are not all peace lovers gallywix would want as much as he could get. Magâhar orcs would probably want their own lands to rebuild on. I can see blizzard writing lothermar and thalyrissa voting to spite the night elves cause night elves were mean to them in the past. So I can see gallywix meeting the other horde leaders he could flip to vote his way. Gallywix would put profit over any sense of peace in a heart beat
Gallywix isnt the leader anymore and maghar is one, so still waiting cause so far thats four to one. four to two if gallywix is the leader, so wherent you saying something about how baine and thrall where outnumbered?
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When? They compromised by offering them Azshara, though no compromise was made on Ashenvale.
Itâs not a ârewardâ, itâs an exchange. The bigger pay-off would have a military installment to do as they please, with armed forces to ensure safe passage for both workers and military assets that need to operate in that region.
Compromise would be to give up that huge strategic boon, in exchange for craftsmen and game hunters to work.
I donât fault Garrosh on that one. They faced famine and were doomed without the abundant resources of Ashenvale. There was a desperate, immediate need and he wasnât about to let that misery befall his people for trying to bargain with an unfriendly neighbor who didnât quite like them to begin with and would have left them to rot, ultimately.
The Lordaeron dispute is interesting, because there are descendants of Lordaeron who are very much alive and, by legality, are entitled to property. At the same time, those Lordaeronians donât see the Forsaken, whoâre also Lordaeronians, as citizens and want to exterminate them to reclaim the homeland, despite being (un)living entities that walk, talk, think and feel, checking off most defining features of a human being.
The slogan âBrother against Brotherâ from the US civil war rings very true in the fight for Lordaeron.
There is also the matter that the inhabitants have drastically change (forming the political body that is The Forsaken) have drastically changed and the Menethil family is no longer recognized as the ruling body in Lordaeron, but thatâs the beginning of the rabbit hole. Iâve had this conversation in previous threads about that.
Were that the Alliance held Lordaeron (they donât), they might have a valid claim to that by right of succession, if they werenât going to take it and hold onto it by right of conquest. I donât think thatâs in the cards of the Alliance, though, given that they were routed from their foothold in Tirisfal Glades.
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Forgot gallywix wasnât the leader anymore that gazlowe took over even without gallywix you donât think blizz would do something silly in have lothermar and thalrissa vote to spite the night elves. Gazlowe would probably still vote to keep the lands just for the resources. All Iâm saying is baine and thrall are not the co leaders of the horde itâs not up to them alone. Itâs going to be up to the majority wants not thrall and baine alone.
I think you see this in Alterac Valley. Both sides have a Commander Philips whom are related and give you a quest to kill the other one.
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A literal instance, yes!
In the general sense, I was referring to its intention of âtwo groups of the same country fighting each otherâ and the tragedy of that reality.
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Why tho, lothermar regrets the war he has lines saying he wished he stopped sylvanas before the war started and thalyrissa compared the horde to the legion. I dont think blizzard would do any of the sort to break peoples characters, cause there isnt gonna be a faction war for a while. So I am still waiting cause to me it seems like baine and thrall are the majority.
btw saying blizzard will do what they want is really weak, blizzard could have varian and garrosh fuse to make the ultimate warrior and come back from the dead and yeet everyone into space, if they wanted.
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Azashara was offered as a unraped boon for the Horde post Garrosh-Horde. The fact that the Horde gets to keep a portion over every land they âconquerâ just encourages them to continue provoking conflicts. The Kalimdor Horde has yet to lose a resource rich land since Cataclysm, if anything they are rewarded with resources to exploit in the face of their lack of respect towards the land they defile.
Like I said, small wonder they keep picking fights when the spineless Alliance will only reward their war-mongering.
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Just feels more like backpedaling to save face breaking characters to push the story or narrative the first thing that pops in my mind forsaken night elves. Garrosh and varian fusion wouldnât be the ultimate warrior maybe varian and sourfang fusion would be.
I am just trying to point how dumb it is for people to think the horde will keep ashenvale, there is literally no proof other than blizzard hates me, or horde players literally not understanding there own characters.
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I donât think it will get to that point either tryande will just take it back by force or something else will happen so no one can have it like the botani that snuck here with the magâhar orcs will infest it. My bet would be with the botani will infest the area so that they can say with both side depleted that neither side can own it cause of botani infestation would make it to hard to clear.
why would blizzard update it like that.
blizzard doing work lol thats a first. the war is over there isnt gonna be more updates, its shadowlands time. and Ion said the factions are best friends in shadowlands
So they can keep it contested and they donât have to deal with it easy out.
yeah thats called leaving it in cata mode like how it is right now, and that is zero work.
Keeping those lands doesnât endanger their peace with the alliance, they can have both as seen in 8.3.
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Yeah it does, I think you like to forget that baine is the anduin of the horde, why wouldnt baine who loves anduin very much not just want to give the alliance everything
Because itâs not up to him while the blue warchief can apparently decide something like that alone (giving the Horde Ashenvale to secure peace). Itâs not like anything will stop him from doing it.
Also with how out of character the characters have been acting in BfA, what makes you think that even a single Horde leader would want to return Ashenvale to the Night Elves? They only lose something if they do that without any gains.
In MoP they got Azshara from giving up Ashenvale, but now?
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still havent explained why the other horde would want the aliance, thrall is also super peace, so is lothermar, the high mountain tauren likes baine, thalyrissa wouldnt want to keep it. Btw the horde is the one trying to secure peace not the alliance, you should really read the quests rather than be distracted by the nice cinematics
Do you even know why that happened, I 100% bet you donât
I bet you canât even give me the answer correctly even tho google exists
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