Patch 8.3: Peace Treaty Questline

If Anduin gifts it to them, why not? Besides, Thrall and Baine are just 2 faction leaders from the council.

anduin gifting land he doesnt own KEK,

Saurfang had a strong impression of what was happening. The night elves were sending their best fighters up and down the river, bolstering any place where the Horde pressed their attack. They’d let the advance force get a few steps past the river and then ambush them. Not a bad idea, but not a long‐term strategy. Exhaustion alone would end the tactic by sunrise, if the Horde’s infiltrators did not kill their roaming groups first.

It would be hours until morning, and Saurfang had little desire to wait. The survivors of the failed attacks across the river had all reported facing enemy druids. There were ways to solve that problem. He found himself enjoying the thought.

By the gods and spirits in all the cosmos, it is good to fight a good war.

Sylvanas turned back toward the World Tree, watching it burn. Saurfang made himself watch the flames consume city and citizens alike. He would not dishonor himself further by turning away.

The screams continued. They reminded him of Shattrath. He had loved the sound, then. Smoke filled the air, reminding him of Stormwind, of racing through the streets as buildings burned all around him, finding cowering humans and butchering them as they begged for their lives. He had loved the slaughter, then.

And he had loved this war, too, hadn’t he?

The part about demons I misremembered. That was my impression reading between the lines, but in the year+ since I read the story I remembered it as being explicit in the writing, which is incorrect.

There might be more examples, but these two were the ones that specifically sprang to mind.

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Or Blizzard can just say that the Night Elves took Ashenvale back like they did Darkshore and it isn’t a problem any more.

If the Horde is going for a peace treaty after this fact then it means the Horde is saying it won’t go into Ashenvale again (not that Horde words mean anything, given that they had agreed to stay out of Ashenvale in exchange for Azshara’s lumber, and they obviously broke their word with the War of the Thorns).

Unfortunately the Genn and Tyrande bring up a valid point: No piece of paper actually stops the Horde from attacking.

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who’s going to stop him?

If only blizz operated like that

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What is stopping her to hop on over to team red?

His own niceness

his niceness in terms of making the whole thing as comfortable as possible for the horde?

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He’s not as deplorable as you initially described, but


Those passages do make me hate Saurfang more. “Taking a people’s homes, killing their loved ones/defends, and subjugating them is good sport, but killing them is TOO FAR.”

Like, killing civilians is obviously worst than killing soldiers, and I get his motivation was the long-term survival of the Horde (though I disagree with that
), but saying invading is okay, but killing isn’t basically amounts to, “If they can’t keep me out of their house, they don’t deserve to have it.”

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I think thats saurfangs story tho, realizing all that stuff was wrong, thats why he talks about the path of glory.

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Fair enough.

I still don’t like him.

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I also liked the mindset of the Horde. Burning alive tens of thousands of civilians is okay AS LONG AS it’s for the good of the Horde, and then when they realized that Sylvanas wasn’t doing it for the good of the Horde they suddenly turn against her and are seen as innocent sunshines who did nothing wrong.

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Not what happen, but ok
 probably should play horde side, actually that something so many players in the story forums should do honestly, its baffling how many players are so ignorant to the other factions story specially in the story forums of all places.

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I did play the horde side, and nowhere did I see any sign of regret for the war of thorns, only from Saurfang and he’s blaming it all of Sylvanas.

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really missed a few characters there then.

what am I supposed to be missing though? I remember butchering hundreds of worgen and night elves with some siege engine in Nazmir, then Baine feeling no regret about Teldrassil but the nail in the coffin for him was Sylvanas raising jaina’s Brother, that was just too far


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did you do the war campaign, did you talk to characters after? sounds like you just focus on the bad stuff you want to see lol.

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I did, and I legit don’t know what I was supposed to be seeing there in regards to Teldrassil.

literally what your complaining about, opinions of the other horde leaders of it.

they reacted to the war of thorns and felt actual regret for it? Because then I must’ve missed/forgotten it I guess.

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