My point wasn’t about suppressing the OP more just about the reality that blizzard has zero ways to control external websites or persons cataloging player information to be used for comparative reasons or to gauge their worthiness
I’m all for changing systems that are bad. But the changes requested have to be within blizzards control. The only way blizzard could ever positively make players not have a system like IO is by making it so no player can see or inspect another player nor view their character achievements.
I’m not sure I see them nixxing the achievement system or making it so players can’t see each other’s gear period. You could blindly invite a 140 ilvl person to a castle nathria and have no idea and no way to prepare a team that has a high chance of success.
It’s unfair to ask players not to organize with like minded or like skilled players because some people feel left out.
Those people are free to make their own groups and lead them to success. But instead they are asking for the high skilled players to absolutely be forced to accept them on their teams.
I personally would somehow focus on things in blizzards realm of control rather, you know ?
Then there is always the next fight and the fight after that.
If someone is performing so under-par (using WCL as the metric, since it aggregates data from hundreds of thousands of players) in terms of damage or mechanics, then you have every reason to suspect they will be a hinderance on the harder bosses. You didn’t clear it WITH that person, you cleared it in spite of them. If they are doing less damage than tanks, the amount of HP added to the boss because of them being present was less than the amount of damage they did - they made the fight objectively harder (more hp, more damage, more mechanics) than if they were not present at all. Why should any player have to make the fight harder so that someone who underperforms can get gear / aotc? They can sell it, or they can finish the night early. Short of ‘being nice just because’ there is no reason for 19 people to have to do a harder fight.
Remember, flex raids the hp / damage / mechanics change per player. Any player past #10 has to actually provide more damage / do more healing than the escalation in difficulty from the scaling. Better to not bring a bad DPS. The 10 other people in the group have the right to a faster, cleaner, more consistent kill far more than the one extra DPS has to an achievement he’s not skilled enough for. And skill applies to not only mechanics, but also to mastery of the class (and getting blue or green parses is not a ‘mastery’ of the class).
Blizzard made raids harder than ever this tier - not everyone is meant to get it, even if people think they ‘deserve’ it.
They won’t ever get AoTC, but that’s how it goes. Either you work hard to meet the challenge, or you accept that playing chill and relaxed means you probably won’t.
The problem here is that you were trying to be relaxed in a heroic raiding guild. There is a reason why normal raids exist.
It goes. Normal = chill, fun, do whatever. Heroic = put it some work to optimize but don’t make WoW a second job. Mythic = put in 110% effort and also be skilled and talented.
You have to accept your place in that category and deal with it. I was in a Mythic raiding guild early in BFA. It wasn’t for me and I got dropped for low parses. Now I’m in a heroic raiding guild and it fits me better because while I’m not the best player, I do well enough and I’m willing to optimize and work on getting better.
I’m not talking about current high end stuff that isn’t on farm mode yet.
I’m talking about regular 5-mans. Leveling dungeons. Situations where it ISN’T causing wipes. I’ve been in normal dungeons where the boss is down, nobody dies, and someone puts up a meter and starts calling “kick low DPS” when there was never a problem.
That’s the kind of thing that makes me just shake my head.
Again, I’m not talking about hard mode raids. I’ve seen people posting meters and talking parses in NORMAL 5-mans and crying even if there was never an issue.
This logic is what is killing the game. You can always form your own group with your own standards. I am tired of people thinking they should be able to dictate what others bring or don’t bring on their runs. Am I a fan of IO? No, but I support its existence and people who wish to use it.
In theory we just down everything and there are no problems! Yeaaaaaa!
Real story, person pulls less DPS than the tank, doesn’t do mechanics, and group barely downs a very easy fight. Well I guess a fight that is a DPS race where every DPS needs to stay alive and pull their weight will just go smooth, right?
The raid boss doesn’t just go ‘oh, I see you have dead weight, let me scale down 1 less player for you’. No body in pugs wants to wipe all day to a boss people have put on farm trying to carry someone who doesn’t want to put in the effort and doesn’t care about the rest of the groups effort and time.
Raider IO is meaningless when you can buy carries, nor does it account for alts of already high rated players who, at minimum, pass the ilvl requirement of the key.
Another real story, DPS do more than the tank, do mechanics, and the group downs an easy boss… easily. Someone posts a meter and starts whining “kick low DPS”.
…In a normal leveling dungeon. Not a raid, not a mythic, no “DPS checks”, a NORMAL easy dungeon. No wipes, no carrying… just folks who toss up meters after every boss pull that takes 5 seconds longer than they want it to and start crying.
I’ve seen this. It boggles the mind. It’s the same as people posting they want IO for a WORLD QUEST group.
But I guess I’m not getting my point cross so never mind… carry on.
But that isn’t the case with this thread, the OP was dead weight in a raid they bragged about carrying. They threw a tantrum and are now making a bunch of threads pointing at every thing but themselves.
I’ve never seen people get kicked from a smooth run for low DPs. Even more so I’ve never seen RIO asked for WQs, that has to be a meme post.
Like I want to know what kind of experience you have outside of 'one time I saw this happen ', cause I would honestly be shocked.
I like silly comments ty