Here is the issue with that. The fact that the bosses were killed was because the other members of your raid team made up for the lack of damage. You benefited from their skill/hard work. IF everyone was like you and happened to put out similar damage numbers then your raid group wouldn’t have killed many bosses.
This game is a multiplayer game and if you raid or do M+ you do it with other people. Collectively you work toward a goal whether it’s a battleground, raid or dungeon. If one or more members of the group aren’t pulling their weight, it negatively impacts the rest. It’s no excuse for people to be rude or toxic but if someone tells you that your damage is low and you are parsing grey, it’s not really an insult, more just a fact.
Now what I said above can be bypassed at times by finding guilds or communities that focus primarily on being casual and having fun and not so much on progression/killing bosses. I think if you find the right group of people you will enjoy yourself more.
Parses and sites like Warcraftlogs are a great tool that can help you improve. If you’re already spending time playing the game, why not try.
I mean all of these things have existed in WoW for years in some form or another. Before Raider IO you would armory someone. Sims have ALWAYS existed though they have gotten better now.
Zombie, I love ya. I do. I wish parse data was completely unavailable. Never to be retrieved. Private information, if you will. You’re highlighting serious issues with this community and all they’re doing is bashing you left and right for it. I applaud your efforts.
… and I agree parses, logs, whatever… it’s all trash to me. It feels like elitists use them as a means of entitlement to their station of raiding and gear. I will not post on my main on warcraft forums any longer and I think I’m getting to the point where I need to walk away from this “game” of spreadsheets.
My overarching concern is this is the future of WoW. Blizzard should stop allowing any of this data to leave the confines of their server but this dev team has done nothing to stave off the negative effects so in a way they’re not just complacent to the toxicity that comes with it… they’re facilitators.
Now that I’ve written my piece, I’m out. Good luck folks.
I know and I agree. If I ever do try and dive in I’ll come prepared. I don’t like being carried and I hate being a burden on the group. I haven’t experienced much toxicity in WoW tbh. My fear of toxicity just carries over from playing many, many hours of ranked Overwatch as a healer main.
You are not being compared to a spreadsheet. You are being compared to hundreds of thousands of others who have completed the exact same fight, presumably at similar ilvl (if they did by ilvl bracket), with your same spec. And a grey parse means that you performed worse than ~ 70% of others who have done the fight. It’s not theoretical - it is the good 'ol bell curve. You were called out because people realized that if they took a random rogue from the queue, there is a 70-99% chance that they would deal more damage than you. And since your only job is to deal damage as a rogue, you were called out. You are unhappy about the fact that your performance is below par and are looking for excuses. I get that - I have very poor parses too.
Instead of being upset, you could USE these tools to figure out how to play your class more optimally. WCL can be used to see top specs, rotations, and cooldowns to greatly improve your DPS. Your goal (and your raid leaders hope) isn’t that you parse different colors - who cares about colors - its that you play your class well enough that you are an asset instead of a carry. And if 70-99% of people who play rogue can do more damage than you at same ilvl, you are by every definition a ‘carry’, as rogues don’t do mechanics (i.e. like DKs on sun king or hunters on… everything).
These threads are weird to me. Elitist Jerks was a thing more then 15 years ago. This isn’t anything new, it’s just now more accessible. To say it’s killing wow ignores the fact that this has been what wow has always been for a lot of players. Parses mattered in wrath as much as now.
Inspecting players / damage meters / gear score / horde paladins / alliance shamans / valor / no valor / heroic dungeons / heroic raids / no more 40 man raids are what’s killing WoW.
I feel your pain. im the same way if i do a key run is first come first serve. i could give a rats a** what your IO score is. GS killed the community back in the day IO will too. just give it time. theres a big difference then people aiming for high iL vs people min/maxing thier stats rotation to the time cause well thats all they have played and a low IO score will make a high IO score look nasty bad in some scenario’s. ive even had it as bad as for powerful world quest “Your IO is not high enough”…like really…he’s sniffing some serious bath salts there, IO has gotten way out of hand.
This sort of thing always mystified me… if the group beat the boss/beat the timer/cleared the encounter/won the fight and nobody wipes what does it really matter who did what DPS?
will you marry me ? I love that attitude
It’s weird how out in the world when doing world quests of elites I can group up 5-7 of them no problem but I know better than to try to do M+ dungeons without a noobscore because I’d never get picked as the tanks.
Yeah, no. Square Enix tries to do that in FF14 and there’s still a really active log site, it just requires we jump through a bunch of hoops and use 3rd party software to get the logs. That wouldn’t do anything, and it shouldn’t anyway. Most of us use logs to improve our personal and raid performance.
