Finally leveled and geared out my Prot Paly.
Prots damage output even with Templar feels pretty awful, especially in the single target damage department. My Holy Priest can kill things 1v1 faster than my Paladin.
Can’t really give any input on how tanking feels because normal/heroic dungeons are so brain dead easy.
What does that even mean?
Where are you even looking to say this?
There’s no aggregate for those.
You can go through all the report individually on Warraftlogs but that means nothing.
You got very few data points to work with and the ones we can see when we filter for Ret doesn’t even show them at the bottom.
Instead they usually show a few spec being largely above all the rest.
How can you tell which of those reports are a good representation of the situation from those who aren’t?
There are barely any kills being done and there are very few players actually testing this compared to the massive amount of data live procurs.
And for those for whom it would be representative, they won’t post them publicly because they are racing the Raid.
Well that’s why ret paladin gets to burst every pack in the game this expansion. It averages out. Unless they are a top 5% player, players playing those classes wont get even close the amount of damage those classes are capable of. Countless times i see those classes struggling to pull their max aoe and single target. It will also be extremely rare for players capable of fully realizing thier class, will be pugging with the masses anyway. No reason to get panties in a bunch over some numbers here and there, when those are made up for elsewhere. Plus ret paladin brings so much other utility to the M+ group if they can pull away from the zug zug brain most of them have. Ret paladins can save many encounters in the game that a mage, dk, shaman and warrior simply cannot.
It doesn’t though, that’s what he’s saying.
It doesn’t average out in ST.
Now is it the other classes that are too high or Ret that is too low?
Is it both?
Hard to tell.
Just going off my ret pally is around 578 ilvl and fury warrior is around 573 and DH around 572 as well. Ret pally seems not to do as much damage as the warrior or DH. It could be because both spec have very front loaded damage profile while ret takes a few GCD to get things rolling. Things die too fast currently in heroic. I do notice though ret seems to take more damage when doing Open world quest?
It’s really hard to tell who does the right DMG right now
These dungeons are pulled with 900 mobs so it’s all skewed.
In the heroic meta my ret absolutely slaughters mobs…
But let’s see when I’m doing +11s who stays and who doesn’t.
I switched to raid cleave build, My single target went up a lot lost a little on AoE but seems better on single target by far at least for me.
Probably a decent idea…
This delayed week of no new content really sucks
Everything falls over so fast I can’t tell what’s actually good or not.
Somebody needs to pay attention to the beta
I actually find nothing wrong with Prot Pally right now, I find it quite fun and sturdy, and HPally for me has always been good even at its lowest, its my main go to spec for healing. Also funny after all these years builds are starting to finally use Beacon Virtue, took those “Top Players” long enough to relies it was VERY useful in m+
You come to the paladin class forums to tell everyone they are bad?
I hope you don’t a main a monk, because you are at the bottom too with us bro.
Also, monks to push way more buttons to do about the same bad damage.
I will still play prot pally and it will be just as fun as the last few seasons.
When you play other tanks you notice the vast difference in damage output as well as taken.
Oh wow - imagine playing something in a video game because you found it fun. Crazy idea.
Hard to see the actual output with the dungeon runs, have tanks running Benny Hill style and your either trying to keep up or getting out of the 27 aoes on the ground so you dont get killed because the healer cant keep up.
Because they’re rated S tier for delves.
To tell everyone Paladin is bad. But this new post addresses a LOT of issues with prot towards the end of the year - so thats nice.
No one ever said the class tree was fine and good.
In fact, it was the worst designed one IMO.
It had the least amount of talents out of all the classes and proportionally the most amount of throughput for a class tree.
That being said, it is nice and the changes are actually good.
Yeah its just that a lot of people said prot pally was “fine” despite any reliable source telling you otherwise. Look at how extensive and extreme the buffs are. I wouldn’t call this spec “fine” if its about to go through such an extensive and much needed change. It’s the best pally news we’ve had so far.
Idk. I’ve played all the tanks now - and I think brewmaster feels worse than paladin. They are both the worst, but paladin is a lot more fun.