I think the only reason she did not do that is because she did not want a “master”. A person as controlling and power hungry as her would never be happy knowing she could never be at the top of the food chain.
Oh I definitely like her as a character too. She’s driven, ambitious, cunning, and ruthless. But a faction leader? I’d be on the floor laughing if they announced that.
Then again, Gallywix has been a faction leader for a decade so what do I know?
It makes you wonder why every iteration of Gul’dan was so content being perennial second fiddle.
Given how Gul’dan was pushed out of his community for being crippled… weak he maybe sought power as a way to force people to let him be apart of a group or something. So he was content to be a part of that group and had no desire to be at the top. So I like to think.
Gallywix was already the head (Trade Prince) of his faction before joining the Horde and had no real previous political/personal drama with other existing leaders.
Magatha is directly responsible for one of the worst personal and political situations to have impacted the horde in decades (killing Cairne by proxy thus Garrosh being alive to be Garrosh). Without her, there is no more Garrosh, and Cairne likely ends up as Warchief when Thrall steps down.
Man, after the events of Garrosh and Sylvanas’ — Magatha’s whole “personal and political situation” is a freakin’ childsplay in comparison
Plus there’s still Grimtotem within the Tauren who weren’t exiled, who share Magatha’s views yet didn’t attempt the coup d’etat & believed the methods of attaining power weren’t honourable and thus not sanctioned by their entire tribe.
In comarison to past events & so forth of what we’ve seen, Magatha comes across more of a gang-related activity rather than an actual civil war. lol
Without her sabotaging up the Mak’gora to assassinate Cairne by proxy, there wouldn’t have been a Garrosh situation. Garrosh would have been dead. Cairne was stomping mudholes in him and walking them dry until the poison from that one tiny little cut kicked in.
If Thrall still steps down in that situation, Cairne is the obvious choice for Warchief.
- Sylvanas doesn’t get all crappier than usual, because Cairne wouldn’t treat the Forsaken as glorified cannon fodder.
- Especially since there wouldn’t have been active hostilities going on between the factions in the first place unless the Alliance decided to start crap (which we know the writing team would never allow to happen because it would make the Alliance look bad ).
- MoP and the resurgence of the Sha in Pandaria doesn’t happen. Or if we do still end up discovering Pandaria, the Sha influence isn’t as catastrophic.
- With no Garrosh escaping back in time, the alternate Draenor timeline and thus alternate Gul’dan being used to kick off the last Legion invasion isn’t a thing. Or at the very least the Legion has to find another way to kick it back off again.
- Kul Tiras rejoining the Alliance and the Zandalari joining the Horde as well as the Mechagnomes and Vulpera respectively can still happen since Azshara & N’zoth’s shenanigans are more than enough to get that ball rolling. And thus we still get the a better more focused story dealing with G’huun and N’zoth without mucking it up with more faction war. And thus spend more time with those actual story elements (go deeper into the Tide sages being corrupted by the faceless ones/N’zoth, actually maybe get N’yolotha as an actual zone and not just the raid, etc).
- Without Sylvanas as Warchief and doing her completely out-of-character levels of gullible work for the Jailer, we don’t get the rolling dumpster fire that was Shadowlands.
Cairne being alive changes the entire playing field. Magatha kicking that domino in the first place by killing him just because she was salty, narcissistic, and short-sightedly power hungry (like she always is) is what triggers to all of that mess.
pretty sure buddy’s been out since like mop
edit: there was that one time where he had a decent role in the Derek Proudmoore story line.
We don’t know that for sure, he got a critical-hit slash across Cairne’s chest.
That’s the entire part of the whole reason to why Garrosh was SO cheesed off @ Magatha & didn’t support her, because the people would’ve questioned whether or not he would had won the Mok’gora without a poisoned weapon.
As for the rest of the potential domino effect, that’s mere conjecture at best. Plausible, but certainly not a guarantee.
Honestly if we had a questline to “Make Peace” with the Venture Co goblins and have a BBQ with them, then later discover they made it with the meat off a tauren they killed, and it turned out to be Baine — I’d probably just laugh at this stage.
I’m sick of Horde leaders & elite characters being slam-dunked, but I gotta say Baine doesn’t really feel like a proud and mighty icon of the Horde.
A character is only good as he/she is written. Not the characters fault they wrote “sits in Oribos for the entire expansion except for a quest chain”
Eh I doubt the Alliance wants Magatha Grimtotem.
If that doesn’t happen, Illidan is not awakened, nor the DHs. Nobody forces us to go to Argus, Sargeras corrupts the Pantheon, invades Azeroth and destroys us.
So in such a way, Magatha saved Azeroth.
Baine is a judas and alliance patsy. GET HIM OUTTA HERE.
Precisely why she’d be a great fit to replace Baine
Maybe if the Grimtotem join the Horde. Because the Tauren are Alliance, following our leader Baine.
The reason I’m not continuing on with some arguments is because I’ve already made my view clear on them. It may shock you to learn that the death-penalty is not universally accepted as punishment. Besides, the Grimtotem and Magatha were banished from their ancestral homes which, given how spiritual Tauren are in nature, would have been devastating for them.
As for the rest, I don’t keep arguing for the sake of arguing. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. If you want to hate on Baine, then hate away, it’s just that your ‘reasons’ lack substance.
Also, as has been pointed out, Baine really is a victim of poor writing as Blizzard don’t seem to know if they want to use him as a main character or a peripheral one!
True, true … Forgot about that.
Guess Tovi’s forum-profile background being red as a representee of the Horde, is a bug.
- They’re yet to fix the bug where Tauren get attacked in Stormwind, but apparently it’s because the humans really — REALLY love their beef burgers.
Honestly though, the Alliance could slaughter a mass amount of children of every Horde race, then advocate for peace and say that they’ve “forgiven” the Horde of many crimes, so they should do the same — and Baine, knowing his character would probably nod along simply with it, agree and tell the other Horde leaders that they should agree too with the Alliance’s terms.
You never addressed the majority of them.
Oh come on dude. Don’t bring RL into this.
Regardless, Magatha’s crimes warranted a death penalty. She murdered the leader of the tauren then invaded BHV and TB then told her Grimtotem to murder every one.
Huh… tauren were nomads until Cairne banded them all together. Did you just make this up?
You haven’t shown that.
Obviously.
… you don’t think I think he’s a real person… I hope?
Look, I didn’t randomly pick on you because you drew the short straw, you said you didn’t understand why people hate Baine. I gave you several reasons that you really haven’t been able to argue because all you do it snip small portions of my point and only argue that.
Well, after the Horde’s general story of -It was not us, the big evil tricked us to do it- where they have still been allowed to live, I think Baine knows the Horde owes us.
Yes, I did. You just can’t see past your own opinion.
Little hard not to. If you’d listened to Lorewalker Cho’s tale then it’s likely Baine spared the Grimtotem and Magatha because he didn’t want to kill any more Tauren, much like the way Emberthal didn’t want to kill more Dracthyr in DF.
Tauren were nomads because they were driven out of their ancestral home of Mulgore by the Centaur, not by choice.
The only reason I’ve argued with your reasons is, as far as I can see, they really don’t hold water.
My imaginary friend is starting to think you have issues!