Every person who supports RDF has the same argument: convenience.
Is there any other argument the RDF enjoyers can make to justify having it in the classic version of WoW?
Like it or not, the precise moment RDF was implemented into retail is when the game started to stagnate. First its RDF, then they complain that the queues are too long, then to appease the rabid RDF enjoyers, blizzard makes it cross realm, queues go down for a bit, over time queues go back up. The RDF enjoyers complain and demand blizzard to do something. Blizzard implements goodie bags for tanks and healers, the RDF enjoyers complain that its unfair to give players pets and mounts for just doing a role in the game. Eventually the RDF enjoyers complain the world feels too empty while they are leveling their 23rd alt. Blizzard implements CRZ. Players complain. Players leave. Subs decline.
You see the slippery slope?
Packaged and processed food is convenient, but its not healthy for your body.
Too much convenience can hurt the longevity and health of the game. WoW was at its highest and best WITHOUT RDF and other convenience tools.
I made a thread outlining how to make groups with the current tool, and the most common objection was âI donât want to have to write a ânovelâ to get into a groupâ when I suggested they say more then just âinvâ so yeahâŠIâm gonna have to say the most common argument is convince and not a whole lot else.
Mostly that, unless you use the tool right at heroic resets, itâs not likely or possible to get into a group. Players end up being saved to too many different dungeons as the day goes on and the pool of people wanting to play the game and be social with each other is restricted from grouping for content.
With RDF you were allowed to play the game. Without it, players arenât allowed to zone in with eachother unless resets just happened.
I donât even get online till 5PM. Today I finished my Heroics at 1AM server time, been doing them for the past few hours. Longest we waited was 10 minutes and thatâs because we wanted someone in leather gear to have a gear balance. If we didnât there were a handful of other DPS waiting.
And another problem is, if you find a good group of new potential friends and youâre being social and you have a good experience and want to run another dungeon, OOPS, 2 of the people are already saved to some heroic or other and the whole group ends up falling apart due to heroic lockouts.
With RDF if you met a good group of people and wanted to stay together, you just queued and if you got a dungeon you were already saved to or not didnât matter.
Not having RDF is detrimental to the very fabric of what makes an MMORPG an MMORPG.
Its quite telling you are posting on a retail character.
But to reply to your concern,⊠I have never experienced what you are describing. Yes people will start the day and get saved to dungeons. But there are many many many other people who login and do their dungeons at different times of the day anyway. Not once have I waited more than 5-10 minutes to get into a full group. And not once has anyone left mid dungeon run for all my heroics since Wrath opened.
Just today I was in a group who invited me, and they asked what I wasnât saved to other than the dungeon I signed up for. I told them, and they asked if I wanted to stay for 3-4 of the ones I still needed to do because they also needed them. It was awesome. We had a good time, we got several dungeons we needed done for the day, and I made some new friends on the server.
My experience in retail with the RDF tool is the complete opposite as far as social interaction goes. Not a word is said. People are robotic. They go in, get loot. Leave party. You never see or talk to them again.
Very rare experience. You shouldnât use it to dismiss the experiences of the majority.
Nope one of the 5 people is locked to that one. Trying to get 5 people who all arenât saved to the same dungeon is difficult, and then invites toxicity when it comes down to asking someone to leave so they can replace them with someone who isnât saved.
Not having RDF breeds toxicity and obstructs players being allowed to play an MMORPG together.
Still you are making up these outlandish scenarios to fit your agenda.
If someone is saved to something, in my experience, they are like âyep, sorry saved to that oneâ and they cordially leave. There is no toxicity, its just reality they are saved so they drop so the group can do the dungeon if they are still wanting to do that one. Otherwise they ask the guy what dungeons they arenât saved to and do more if they liked the experience.
What you are suggesting / saying is just not reality bud.
It hasnât been difficult for me at all. Iâve communicated with my group, changed our dungeon route, and found new players when needed without issue.
The point is, buying food from the produce section and making something healthy with real solid staple non-processed foods is a lot better for you than eating a bowl of cinnamon toast crunch. lol.
You have to make allegations to try to pretend that you have some moral high ground, completely disgusting. These things really do happen nonstop and they put holes in your entire argument, making you feel insecure or something idk idc. Just get over it and mature into accepting when thereâs much more than just âconvenienceâ for wanting RDF.
Again these are real experiences, that youâre making personal attacks over and over for being fully debunked is extremely telling of the anti-RDF community at large. Be less toxic and learn to accept when youâre wrong.
Read the above. Repeated difficulty without RDF, the tool only works well during prime time and then the server is saved to too many different things to group with each other. Itâs a factual thing that happens, and thereâs more and more threads appearing on this topic.
Happy that you are not having such struggles yet, or that youâre only playing during resets when grouping is the busiest because players are actually allowed to play with eachother.
You havenât âdebunkedâ anything. You have given no proof or any support for your outlandish claims.
What I am saying, is from my experience, and from the experience of basically every person ive grouped with using the current group tool in classic Wrath, the wait to get into and form a group hasnât taken more than 5-10 mins max.
Maybe you are the only one experiencing what you are claiming. Which then leads to the next question, how are you trying to get into groups? Are you not descriptive with your sign up? Are you rude to people? Are you non-communicative? Do you not whisper people and ask to get in? Do you not make your own groups if those options arenât working for you?
Iâm telling you, Iâm not playing at prime time. I start playing in the evening and finish very late at night. Itâs almost 1AM server time and I just finished my heroics before this. Last night I did Heroics till 3AM!
I have no problems making groups and Iâm extra picky. I sit and wait like 3 whole minutes for a cloth wearer to join the LFG listâŠ
I could log in to my server NOW, and find a group for a heroic within 10 minutes, and its almost 1am PST.
Heâs obviously doing something wrong when he tries to group up with other players.
Or he may just be so stubborn and salty that he cant click a 1 button auto teleport queue to robotically run a heroic that he deliberately sabotages his group finding to spite himself.