Other than “feeling special,” why do people care if others have the same gear as them?

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The lack of empathy in people like you just throws me.

Why do you care so much if he gets some better gear? What does it bug you that someone else might get an ilevel piece of gear in a way different than you.

Is it a feelings thing? Do you feel special that you get the gear from the raid and want to show it off to people? Do you go around telling people what your ilevel is and that you got your gear from a raid?

You are not harmed in the least, which is why casual players are so frustrated.

It makes it seems like the only reason you DONT want them to have a path to better gear is to enhance your ego.

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ilevel is more important in shadowlands than it has been in years.

As a raider, I would have expected you to know that.

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Your entire defense is based on a lack of empathy. So I find this intriguing.

There are 3 ways.

I think casual players are frustrated because their ego hurts.

I dunno. I feel a ton of ego based reasons you and OP are complaining about gear.

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Honestly if “casuals” spent as much time in M+ as they did whining on the forums, they’d have all their 10’s done in preparation for 9.0.5.

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WoW is built from the ground up on making players “feel special”: special because they were lucky enough to get a rare mount, or they’re the top of the DPS/HPS meters, or they have a rare title, etc., etc.

In the end, that’s all this game has been from the start. You don’t need to play it that way and can instead attempt to solely compete with yourself (which is a good way to just live life as well), but the game readily invites players to tie their self-esteem to their in-game status.

And in a world where most people have been taught by the media to see themselves as worthless if they’re neither rich nor famous, that can be a powerful drug by itself.

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You’re not obligated to do anything either, but you feel that you should get the gear that comes from other content instead of doing that content.

As was just asked, what endgame are you rushing to? What do you need the ability to do things faster and easier for, if they’re already easy and relatively quick in the first place?

If that’s their endgame, yes. And the obligation comes from wanting to down the content.

What do you mean, “empathy”? If you want others to employ, “empathy” and cave to let you have whatever you want without actually playing the content the gear is designed for, why not show us, “empathy” and understand that our concerns aren’t just personal feelings nor is it being elitist?

If they never step foot in a raid - in a game where the vast majority of the game tries to railroad you into a raid - then why do you need raid gear? WQs and the other, casual content isn’t going to need raid gear at all.

No, it’s that there is a finite level of progression you can do without playing the game in its intended progression path via Blizzard. They are the ones who determined raids should be the ultimate PvE endgame, and you’re the one not doing it and instead expecting infinite scaling on par with other players who do that endgame.

Players who want the best gear and are willing to work for it already do more things, far more than you do. Especially if they’re doing keys regularly too.

In this case, the other guy is whining, entitled, and personally attacking anyone who doesn’t instantly agree with their personal opinion.

If the way you enjoy the game is getting better gear, do the content that awards better gear. Otherwise, enjoy the content you do enjoy and the gear that comes with it.

You already have a path to become stronger. You just don’t want to do it.

Yeah because this would go over well with people who do the casual content and raid.

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You keep saying “people can do” other things.

They dont want to. They want to do content they enjoy and be rewarded with high ilevel gear.

You deem raiding to be the most important part of the game so you think it should get better gear.

They dont think raiding is important at all and so their chosen form of content should get gear that is at least as good as raiding. They want it to be equal not better.

I agree with them about the gear part.

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Seiously, how many of these threads do we need?

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Do the content, get the gear. It’s that simple.

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Item level has been important for well over a decade. There wasn’t really a point it wasn’t important. It’s just you want to get a higher item level, but don’t actually realize the content you do stops scaling and only gets easier - and a lower item level is completely fine to faceroll all of it.

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Sucks for them. If you willingly choose not to participate in everything, you have to accept the outcomes.

Irrelevant.

Not what I said. I have clearly said multiple times there are 3 paths to get great high end gear.

Ok. So do PVP or M+.

I also agree you lack empathy, and are rather selfish in this demand that WoW’s entire gearing system gets destroyed so you can get gear merely for logging on.

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Player A: “I want gear!”

Player B: “Okay. Then just play the game”

Player A: “Nu! I dun wanna!”

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I feel for people with actual problems. This is a first world issue of entitlement, so please stop denigrating the community as a whole and look in the mirror and realize you are the problem.

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Yes.

Then they don’t need the gear which is designed for said other things.

I want to not have to work to get money, but I have to work to get money. Sorry, but sometimes you have to do something you don’t absolutely enjoy to get the things you want.

No, raiding is intended to be the highest level PvE content and thus rewards the best gear because it’s tuned for that gear. World content is tuned far, far lower, which is why it drops far lower levels of gear.

You don’t need gear that is astronomically better to faceroll the sole content you do.

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Understanding where other people come from is important. Its why you are hard headed about this.

There is no actual argument for why raiders DESERVE better gear outside of the emotional.

If this were an ego thing on the casual side they would be doing what you are doing - demanding better gear because they think their content is more important than yours.

I would suggest casual players arent even suggesting they should be able to get better eq at the same pace. They are casual after all so it could probably come out at a slower pace than for raiding.

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Its not a lack of empath its that you have a serious misunderstanding regarding how gear progression functions in the game.

Because you literally do not need the gear for the content you are doing.

If you are cutting a cake do you demand that you be given a sledgehammer or a screw driver?

Your assuption is that these tools are somehow better at “cutting the cake” then a cake knife.

You are wrong.

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Thats it ! its about feeling special to show off and pretend you are a god among mortals. That thirst and satisfaction however is temporary .

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Saying over and over again “you dont need it” does not explain in the least WHY you care AT ALL.

World first raiders proved you dont NEED the ilevel current mythic guilds are at to complete mythic raiding. So should they not have a chance to get higher ilevel gear?

Bringing up over and over that “the content is EASSSYY WAHH” is an emotional argument that makes it seem like its your ego at play here. That you wont feel special if people doing easier content have a chance at higher level gear.

editing: MAYBE ITS FUN USING A SLEDGEHAMMER ?

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What? lol. If thats the way media makes you feel you have some serious problems.

Fairly certain I saw you arguing for casuals in other threads but this is one of the reasons people don’t want to give casuals 226 gear. Cause I worked hard for my gear and it means comparatively less to have when something a monkey could do rewards the same effort.

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Pretty sure we had an argument last night and you kept saying the best gear didnt come from the hardest content and gave legendaries as an example. So just go do that not had content and get your best gear. No need for these threads.

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