PvP is easier than its even been though. You can do nothing but lose in BGs and still get enough honor to upgrade to 197 in a matter of an hour or two. If you don’t have that time to put to progression, there’s not much excuse.
Who’s definition of work are we using here? The raid logger who only hops on for Mythic raid night? The WQ grinder who clears their map? The M+/BG chainer? Who decides what constitutes acceptable levels of work?
Add: I keep seeing the people who care about what the non-raiders/non-M+ers are wearing saying “But I did more work!” which means their anger stems from their opinion that they worked harder or whatever. Because what they can show off in a video game is apparently all they have. As a heroic raider, I honestly could not care less if Tuesday reset gave everyone and their mother full 230s or whatever upon logging in. I will not personally be impacted either way, so… as long as they are happy, cool.
We should be advocating for each other, not telling each other “You don’t deserve this video game pixel”.
You’re trying taking my argument to the extreme end and all you did was prove my point. You could farm gear on the hardest difficulty of the game to beat the game. It doesn’t matter whether most people found it easy or not. It was the hardest difficulty in offer and rewarded the best gear.
RPGs rely on gear progression to reinforce the hero’s journey. It’s a core design philosophy.
I apologize if I’ve missed it in the ensuing responses, but what ilevel - to you - constitutes high ilevel gear?
Show me one post, thread, tweet, etc of an actual leading world raider complaining about casuals or semi-casuals getting gear… go ahead I’ll wait
I find it amusing how you think that everyone posts here, when this is only one percent of the entire players in World of Warcraft. “Leading world raiders” most likely do not waste their time here.
Never base anything off of this forum. That is very poor form and very nonsensical to do.
You carry the burden of proof here. Find me all of these “leading world raiders” across the entire game that would not care that their time and effort is trivialized and forcing them to do things they do not wish to do.
I can’t prove they didn’t say it lol, like I said find me an instance of them complaining about it.
I also mentioned multiple places not just these forums. It could be Twitter, during their own streams, an interview, etc
Then you cannot make this generalized claim that they would not care.
No. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.
Do not make generalized statements such as this when you have absolutely no proof of such things. You do not speak for the raiders, nor do you speak for anyone else. You speak only for you. Do so.
I’ve argued for casuals having a gearing path like they did in MoP, not a gearing path to mythic gear.
Okay I’ll change my claim to a statement, I have literally never in all the posts I’ve read, tournaments I’ve watched, streams I’ve subscribed to seen any serious leading world raider complain about casuals having good gear. Happy?
Yes. Because your experience is not everyone’s. Good job.
Likewise neither is yours, I’m curious what makes you think that those players do have a problem? You’re guessing just as much as me.
Except I never said I had an experience. So now you just assume things and create false conversations? 
This will not further your poor narrative. Sorry.
No you just said “You do not need 226 gear to kill a world quest. But people DO need 226 gear to kill M+ and higher raids.”
That is factually untrue, people do not need 226 gear to do M+ and higher raids it’s been proven by others than even mythic denarius can be done with lower gear.
So now we are moving goalposts and talking about entirely different points of my post?
And yes, things can be done with lower gear, but you forget moving forward into the next tier, these will be needed. That is why I said “higher raids.” Next tier.
If you do not understand the conversation, please do not reply.
Actually, I am going to stop responding to you altogether. I cannot abide people who twist things and then move goalposts just to attempt to be correct with their own poor posting and arguing ability. Good day.
Ah shoot, you caught me being a hypocrite so I’m gonna stop replying at all… always my favorite act of the internet genius. Thanks for the amusement.
Mmmm… I will bite one last time.
Nowhere was I being hypocritical. You are the one moving goalposts and twisting everything to try to further your poor narrative.
This is the issue with “people like you” who cannot see the larger picture and only want to play on their own selfish needs. You do not understand game design, you cannot even comprehend simple posts. How sad for you. I am happy to have an ignore list for people such as yourself.
It’s a way to feel validated. Which I don’t have a problem with people wanting to feel validated. I only have a problem with people who decide to be a pompous jerk about it and then try to make other people feel inferior.
One standard focuses on raising you up.
The other focuses on bringing others down.
I’d say its a sense of childish vindictiveness.
Players who have all the loot don’t want their toiling efforts invalidated by your average joe who just wants to give the wheel a spin.
I’m pretty sure casuals getting mythic transmog an expac later isn’t an issue. Current conversations are people want to get mythic gear from WQs while it’s current.