Original Era players, are you quitting?

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

@Tubbly-terenas

I only noticed this due to another reply because I’ve had you on ignore for some time now, in part because of hyperbole such as this.

You took a cheap shot at me. Turn about is fair play. You should’ve done yourself a favor and kept me on ignore if you can’t handle it which we both know you cant. If you wanna play games you chose the wrong poster.

@Tubbly-terenas

However, the changes we have here don’t impact my enjoyment of the game and so I can tolerate them.

So go ahead and tolerate them. Im not telling anyone to do otherwise.

This isnt directly squared at you but I find it funny that we’re okay with the millions that left retail after all the changes but people get their undies wadded up when people state they want to leave Era because of…all the changes. Changes that go against the stated goal of this games very existence. Promises have been broken. People are acting surprised at the backlash like theyre not entitled to it or something.

@Tubbly-terenas

Maybe your break will improve your ability to actually read and comprehend what people are saying instead of skimming it, jumping to your own conclusions, and twisting words to support your warped ideas of logic. Maybe then we won’t have to be at odds all the time.

Yeah cuz thats what transpired. I said I unsubbed from the game, so did some others and then we all got attacked for having the opinion that the game is no longer what we asked for - so yeah its the opposite. People cant comprehend what we are saying and twisting the changes as something not worth quitting over even though they are.

@Tubbly-terenas

Either way, while I’m not sad to see you go, I genuinely wish you the best and hope that your time away is a positive experience for you.

Please spare me from your BS faux graciousness. Ive remained cordial with a dozen other forum regulars Ive disagreed with multiple times at one time or another becaue we don’t hold grudges as we understand its not personal. I cant say the same for you.

Thanks for admitting youre happy you have one less person on the forums that isnt afraid to call you on your sophist, emotion laden rants.

And Im most likely never coming back unless this last change is completely reversed which is never going to happen.

@Tubbly-terenas

That’s how you chose to interpret

@Tubbly-terenas

I don’t put any stock in things corpseknife says

I took it as it was given.

@Tubbly-terenas

there’s no point in discussing this further

100% agreed. Why are you responding to me then?

@Tubbly-terenas

It’s not like we’re going to suddenly resolve this and become best buds.

We could have been but you made that impossible and I dont care enough to try and win you over.

@Tubbly-terenas

I actually respect your decision to quit.

How can you respect me while simultaneously “not putting stock into anything” I say. All this double think you like to engage in is why we cant be friends.

@Tubbly-terenas

What other way do you have to communicate your dissatisfaction to Blizzard?

None, hence my decision. That hasnt stopped other people from mocking said decision.

@Tubbly-terenas

I was being genuine

I wouldnt put genuine and Tubbly in the same sentence but I cant stop you from doing it nor do I care too.

@Tubbly-terenas

Are you, or are you not, quitting? For a guy whose sub has supposedly run out and has no desire to spend any more time on this game, you sure are posting a lot.

The quitting the game part is over with which has nothing to do with the forums. You can quit the game and still post. I know of two people who have subs just to post here.

Blizz wasted 5 years of my time so Im using the extra posting time to note their folly and litany of broken promises.

As it turns out, I just officially ran out of time on the forums, hence the edit to this post for my response to your last post.

Ill pray only a small amount of people quit because Era dying a second time would be a darn shame for those stuck like chuck to the sunken cost fallacy.

See ya.

[Tubbly-terenas (Tubbly)]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

You took a cheap shot at me.

That’s how you chose to interpret it but there’s no point in discussing this further. Are you not quitting? It’s not like we’re going to suddenly resolve this and become best buds.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

So go ahead and tolerate them. Im not telling anyone to do otherwise.

I didn’t say you did. In fact, had you read past the first line you quoted above you’d have seen that I actually respect your decision to quit. This is your line in the sand and while I don’t agree, I can’t fault you for it. If you want to make a statement here that’s up to you. If you feel this strongly about it you should quit. What other way do you have to communicate your dissatisfaction to Blizzard? Clearly all other available avenues are not yielding results.

I just make my own decision about what I can and can’t tolerate, and what the game means for me. I don’t like these changes but they don’t change what I get from the game. I will continue to revist this every time Era changes are released.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Please spare me from your BS faux graciousness.

I was being genuine, on all points. I don’t care what you believe.

Are you, or are you not, quitting? For a guy whose sub has supposedly run out and has no desire to spend any more time on this game, you sure are posting a lot.

[Asma-mankrik]

@Tubbly-terenas

you sure are posting a lot.

for someone that announces others are on ignore you sure are invested in what they are posting
rent free, karen
lmaooo

For those that might care to read Aggrend’s own words about the process that Blizzard follows to keep unintended changes out of Era, the multipart tweet begins below.

https://x.com/AggrendWoW/status/1722788157241147683

[Tubbly-terenas (Tubbly)]

@Asma-mankrik

for someone that announces others are on ignore you sure are invested in what they are posting

How I choose to utilize the ignore feature is my own business. You’re quick to throw labels at others for the qualities you exemplify.

Also hey, didn’t you quit too!? Maybe I’m getting old… I can’t keep up with the slang of today’s youth, I guess

[Vanillataur-garrosh]

@Tubbly-terenas

A token and RDF (presumably what you meant) would though, and that would probably be my own line in the sand…

They would be much less bad for me as I could just not use them. But I cannot stop using the UI, I cannot stop seeing the changes Blizz put in the game every toime I as much as open the game!

[Tubbly-terenas (Tubbly)]

@Vanillataur-garrosh

They would be much less bad for me as I could just not use them.

I’ve found that to not be true with those partuclar items.

For the token, I’ve never bought a token and I never will, but it does change the game. Just like RMT has in Classic. If you don’t do it you’re undoubtedly at a disadvantage compared to those who do. I work to put myself in places where that disadvantage doesn’t matter as much.

For RDF, it changes the way people interact with the game because it strongly incentivizes using it. You can do it the hard way and wait a long time for a group, or you can do it the easy way and get a group right away. I saw this happen the first go around and predicted a repeat when Wrath came out, which also proved true. Nobody builds groups manually anymore, and why would they? There’s a more convenient approach. However, convenience isn’t always a good thing.

If RDF is your jam (and it was mine for a long time, by the way), then it’s a great thing to have! For me though, especially these days, I value the experience of building a group and traveling to a dungeon. RDF has the effect of overshadowing that experience and ultimately eliminating it from the game.

For me, the UI change doesn’t really change the fundamental experience I’m here to find, but in my case the WoW token and RDF does. So if those came to Era that would certainly be about the time that I would move on. When it happened in WotLK I fortunately had Era to fall back on (and I was already playing both games anyway) but if it happened in Era I’m not sure there’s any other option. Era is kind of unique in what it offers right now.

I guess there’s always private servers? I suspect that option is going to start being more appealing these days and if Blizzard ever did do token/RDF in Era, that would only amplify.

@Vanillataur-garrosh

But I cannot stop using the UI…

I’m not excusing Blizzard putting this in, but I was under the impression that you can get a Weak Aura that enables the old UI. I’m not sure if this is true or not, have you heard anything about this and/or explored it?

[Revenor-mankrik]

@Ksix-windseeker

to quote the sopranos “it is the lowest form of conversation”

And here I was thinking that quoting TV shows was the lowest form of conversation.

[Vanillataur-garrosh]

@Tubbly-terenas

For the token, I’ve never bought a token and I never will, but it does change the game. Just like RMT has in Classic. If you don’t do it you’re undoubtedly at a disadvantage compared to those who do. I work to put myself in places where that disadvantage doesn’t matter as much.

Sorry long ramling post to follow.

I do not feel at a diusadvantage, and never had. I have fun, I mostly play HC (or some variant thereof) even on the normal servers. But no, what other people do or not does not impact me largely, same as others boosting, or botting does not hurt me. I farm my own mats, I chat with Guildies, I learn professions, I level slowly, I very seldom run dungeons, and if, only with Guildies or RL friends. I send or give mats, crafted items ect. to Guildies as help, I often help with Quests, but I rarely accept help. I like to take it slow and easy. And as everybody and their granny is using Questie and sppeds ahead just following that lead, I do not like to group up if I have not already done that Quest or am almost finished.

Actually Questie impacts my game much more that a token or a level boost or RDF or a lot of other things would do. Again because I cannot NOT use it and not notice it. I see it every time people ask for help in General, I see it when I group up and it announces 2/7 XX for Quest YY complete.

Actually - IF I was not an old, nerdy #NoChanger I would welcome RDF for the teleport, as it would allow me the luxury of doing a dungeon now and then.

@Tubbly-terenas

For me, the UI change doesn’t really change the fundamental experience I’m here to find

They (more changes, not only this one) actually do for me, because as I said, I see and notice the UI changes all the time. I have so far not found an addon to only re-classify - or how to put it - the UI, they all always change some other aspect.

Private servers do not tempt me. I just quit.

[Eekamouse-windseeker]

@Tubbly-terenas

I guess there’s always private servers? I suspect that option is going to start being more appealing these days and if Blizzard ever did do token/RDF in Era, that would only amplify.

For me, the main drawback to private servers was always the instability, specifically the risk that everything could just disappear. Pretty much everyone who played on those servers has lost characters at some point.

Blizzard’s official Classic vanilla project offered a welcome alternative to that, but it’s starting to feel like a similar situation now, albeit in slow-motion.

With the Damoclean sword hanging over Era, and that strand fraying with every change they make, the reasoning for preferring official servers over private servers frays along with it.

[Tubbly-terenas (Tubbly)]

@Vanillataur-garrosh

They (more changes, not only this one) actually do for me…

That’s fair. Like I said, your experience is your own and we all have our own lines in the sand. You and I have different things we get out of the game and it sounds like these changes impact you far more than they do for me. Same goes for me with something like the token and RDF.

For what it’s worth, I am sorry to see you go!

@Eekamouse-windseeker

… the reasoning for preferring official servers over private servers frays along with it.

Yea, that’s what I was getting at. I wouldn’t have considered a private server in the past and while I’m not ready to quit over these, like I said, I would likely move on if other changes that I don’t want came to Era.

I’ve long since said, the best thing Blizzard could do is to just license the server code and let people host their own environments, modding as they see fit. If they were really keen they could incorporate a browser into the client that let people discover realms that suitted them, offering official tags such as “Pure” and “Modded” so that people could filter better.

As someone who is playing in a very small community on Grobbulus and absolutely loving it, I can say with certainty that you don’t really need a lot of people to have a positive and successful experience in this game. Blizzard just needs to give people a space to play what they want, man.

[Asma-mankrik]

@Revenor-mankrik

quoting TV shows was the lowest form of conversation.

The Sopranos was art not just television.

Metahumor.

[Notoriousblt-mankrik]

I’m unsubbing, the changes don’t actually affect me but it’s blizzard, I think they’re just testing to see how the community acts because they want to implement more changes in the future. Right now it’s “it’s only UI” and in a few months it’ll be “it’s only a wow token”

I heard they copyright striked a private servers trailer on YouTube so I’ll probably go ahead and give that server my money instead. No reason to resub to official unless the changes get reverted.

Also the current community managers need to be let go and replaced by people who actually do their job.

[Koki-defias-pillager]

@Tubbly-terenas

Personally, I think the outrage is a bit blown out of proportion. Don’t misunderstand me here, this should not have happened,

The point that irks me about the changes is they went ahead and feigned that they were intentional. I find that insulting
The changes will make me leave eventually, simply because I know this is not going to end.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

I’ve had time to think about this in the last couple of days. The other versions of WoW aren’t fun to me, playing them is about as fun as working a crappy part-time job.

Era has been like the last bastion, but does it keep being that if the game doesn’t feel the same and the majority of like-minded people have left? Not really.

I both disagree with almost everything these devs have done over the last 3.5 years and also can’t relate to the simple-minded, self-centered, target audience that eats this stuff up. I’m tired of seeing good people quitting while at the same time seeing people who are just awful in every aspect not only staying, but doing so while blatantly showing off how rude and shallow they truly are.

I’ll probably be taking a long break from the forums and definitely the game, and won’t be returning unless things get back to just being more authentic - which may not ever happen.

I’ve tried to fight hard for what matters to me, I’ve ever gone to X, a platform that I despise and will never use for anything else, to provide feedback, but that part has never made a difference.

The thoughtful conversations with some good people over the years have been worth it though.

[Tubbly-terenas (Tubbly)]

@Koki-defias-pillager

The point that irks me about the changes is they went ahead and feigned that they were intentional. I find that insulting

I was just posting something similar in another thread, I agree with you here. I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume honesty, but man that was extremely suspect. Radio silence for two days and then a post saying “Well, actually, these are intended changes.”

Clearly they’re taking a stance of “We don’t care what you want for Era, this is what we want for Era” and so while there would have been just as much outrage had they announced this before it dropped, it would have been very easy for them to do so.

That they didn’t raises some uncomfortable questions.

[Vanillataur-garrosh]

Winds be at your back! Mootwo, and I really hope to see you back in game and here again.

[Koki-defias-pillager]

@Nexxia-gorgonnash

It’s a required world buff for raiding at a high level.

Cause Classic is soooo hard…
Good grief.

[Duergar-whitemane]

They should just let Nostalrius return. In fact, let people make their own official private servers on the official platform! Then those of us who want fresh, untouched vanilla can have it, and the devs won’t have to do a thing. Win-Win.

[Jazzy-pagle]

I’m of the position that any quality of life improvements are good on two fronts. First it makes it more likely that Melee will have all their world buffs and secondly it clears out a few more purists. This belief that making things more comfortable and less time consuming is somehow wrong never held any weight with me. Next on the list should be making meme specs viable and removing dot limit. Followed by adjustments to Raid Bosses and Trash HP Proportionally. Classic Wow could be an amazing game if the class and talent system weren’t broken for Raiding purposes.

[Sandi-whitemane]

bro playing on a dead realm aint happy with the game, what a shocker…