Only 2 tanks and 2 healers listed in LFG at primetime on Grobb

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Äpathy-mankrik

Imagine getting your way and still pretending to be a victim by blatantly ignoring the vile spewed from anti RDF players as well

May want to take a close look at some pro rdf peoples behavior if you think im just “playing the victim”. Not saying all pro rdf people are to blame, but theres definatly a few who need to work on how they behave.

@Äpathy-mankrik

It makes sense why you have to post on a forum alt, you’re so unlikable you have to wear a mask over your mask

I use this toon to post on the forums because i learned back in actual cata that realm transfering/name changing wipes your forum history. And its a pain in the butt to hold multiple conversations on these forums when your post history and notifications get removed. It has nothing to do with hiding behind a mask because i have given my mains name multiple times.

@Äpathy-mankrik

Have fun with your community though, I’m sure you’re having a great time with your friends who were going to replace you at the drop of a pen.

So you are aware of some of drinkblinks bullying behavior. And yet uou act like its not happening at all just a moment ago …

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Deunan-atiesh

You also come into perfectly calm discussion to make intentionally inflamitory jabs at the pro side, often with zero provication

So not giving an echo chamber to people is inflammatory jabs now? I need no reason to enter a thread outside of it being passionate about the topic. You think i should wait till being specifically invited in? Thats not how these forums work.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Deunan-atiesh

You are very much not the victim you want to make yourself out to be one,

There are some behaviors from some pro rdf people here that accoording to the forum rules would have them banned, but we all know the moderation here sucks.

And no, im not claiming anti rdf people are squeaky clean either. I have reported some of their comments as well.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Zoumz-zuljin

It’s not about replacing and both have objectives value

Ok let’s say subjective is somehow objective.

Your classic spirit and my classic spirit are exact opposites. Who gets the point? You or me? There is no objective pro to subjective feelings, and at best, they equal out which just means, like I said, they’re irrelevant.

So go on, tell me more about how your spirit of classic somehow supersedes those who feel the opposite.

@Zoumz-zuljin

The main point of RDF is selfish

??? What?

RDF is an accessibility tool for instances.

LFG is an accessibility tool for instances but worse.

Conceptually they are the same thing.

Which means running instances is then innately selfish, which sure I guess from a perspective.

But that then means that all pve content is selfish as the main goal is either level or gear and all pve content except raids does both.

So playing the game is innately selfish.

So what is your point with this line other than gaining feeler points, because RDF is just better LFG, and if one is selfish then they both are and the point is lost.

@Zoumz-zuljin

But adding RDF is reducing your social interactions with players in the world and on your server

Ah yes the tired social interactions argument, because whispering someone “tank zf?” Is such a needed aspect to the game.

I’ve made more friends through RDF in my years of retail than not having RDF in classic. Some of those friends I even went and played other games with outside of wow, and one of them and I even had a fling years down the road.

Not having RDF has only caused me to download an expanded ignore feature. But sure man, muh interactions.

@Zoumz-zuljin

It’s removing friction and making it easier to solo play.

The thing I think I hate the most about classic Andy’s and their mindset is this. Wow has always been a single player game at its core. This is why solo questing rewards the maximize amount of exp. This is why most quests are solo quests. Instances, by intention, were meant to be run once.

The entire premise of classic is “the journey” and that journey is leveling, a mostly solo experience.

Listen buddy, I was here in the trenches on day 1 of RDF being discussed. You regurgitate the same propaganda I made original arguments against almost a year ago. There is nothing you can say that I don’t have a rebuttal for.

[Deunan-atiesh]

you could try being polite an not consistently be an instigator in your replies, especially your initial ones before people have replied to you. Be less dismissive and more willing to meet people on neutral ground.

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

You mean you play the game with a social attitude and get social results?! Lies!!!

Like this one, you had a decent calm post already in this thread, with a decent calm reply and instead of moving on in that tone you chose, deliberately, to be a dongle.

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

I have had similar experience. And when telling others about it, these rdf degenerates say i am a liar just because my experiences are different than theirs.

Goes right along with your own level of dismissiveness of the experiences of others.

I do hope you are able to post and have decent conversations, I see you do it elsewhere or attempt to, just never in RDF related topics. If you are the consistent flash point, I wonder what that says about you?
I know you have a bad reputation on these forums due to your own actions and reactions to/from others, you never rise above and always sink below the level of honest discussion. You are nowhere near a the victim you are claiming here, everything you have received(at least from me) is reactionary to your own bad behavior.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

Look, I know you’re trying really hard. But it’s the same recycled arguments each time and I’m sure you got better things to do.

People are free to disagree on what Classic should be, I’m not here saying there is only one point of view. And each of them are based on a value or a principle that is objective but you might disagree with the application ingame.

RDF is selfish because it diminish the group and community experience but you’re also right you should have access to content, but how you have access to that content matter.

Those reasons are still valid and will stay valid on each side. But you see in your argument you’re not trying to accept that. You’re trying to say there can only be one point of view and that’s false.

Sure you can argue that the selfish need should be higher than the community need and that’s the choice that Blizzard made many times. Just not this time.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

Not saying all pro rdf people are to blame, but theres definatly a few who need to work on how they behave.

You got lost in the sauce.

@Äpathy-mankrik

Imagine getting your way and still pretending to be a victim by blatantly ignoring the vile spewed from anti RDF players as well.

Reread this.

I’m not saying only anti did it, I’m just calling you out for ignoring it.

Both sides are vile because both sides are wow classic players.

But don’t sit here and pretend to be some victim like you don’t get on a high horse, move goalposts, make inflammatory comments, and more.

We are the same vile, that’s my point. Stop pretending otherwise.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

@Zoumz-zuljin

RDF is selfish because it diminish the group and community experience

Muh community.

Scroll up I’m not even going to quote it for you.

RDF is an objective positive and removes nothing from anti RDF players. You can 5 stack queue with your guild in RDF. You can invite randoms to queue with you in RDF. Hell you could make a group and then use the teleport feature solely.

There is no loss with RDF but you’re going to sit here and pretend like there is because now you can’t justify whispering every priest within the level block range if they want to heal a Mara.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

You can meme all you want about it. It doesn’t change that’s how it work.

And that’s why threads devolve because people can’t accept that other people can disagree.

We’re just voicing our opinions here. I’m not deciding how the game works.

[Deunan-atiesh]

@Zoumz-zuljin

RDF is selfish because it diminish the group and community experience

Citation needed. Some data to support this claim, which also falls under:

@Zoumz-zuljin

But it’s the same recycled arguments each time

Which considering the rehashing of your same flat points is quite ironic.

@Zoumz-zuljin

RDF is selfish

I can’t even, do you hear yourself? increasing the overall player pool for dungeons is selfish? Creating greater access to dungeons and other players in a cooperative setting is selfish? Sad I clicked to see your comment but boy am I glad you are on ignore.

@Zoumz-zuljin

Ignored content

Ah yes, much nicer.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

@Deunan-atiesh

Citation needed. Some data to support this claim, which also falls under:

If you want citations please get me one where it prove that RDF is better for the game. If you want to play this game, the game has only loss players since RDF was added.

[Deunan-atiesh]

@Zoumz-zuljin

Ignored content

I can just auto fill in your replies at this point, but keep going. Make a claim back it up. INB4 deflection and more dishonest arguments. LMAO calling RDF selfish.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

It’s not a meme, I just think your arguments are all based on misunderstood information and feelings. There is no objective truth to anything you’ve said, only subjective feeling.

RDF is a better LFG, fact.

RDF is just an accessibility tool, fact.

To be social is on the players, RDF does not increase or decrease this as all players can still talk and interact as before, because once again, RDF is just an accessibility tool, fact.

You can keep going with Muh spirit and Muh community but that means nothing as RDF takes away nothing, only adds.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

@Äpathy-mankrik

RDF is a better LFG, fact.

LFG goals are not the same as RDF. You’re not comparing 2 things that have the same goal.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

The goal of LFG is to find a group, usually an instance.

The goal of RDF is to find an instance.

How is the goal not the same.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

The goal of LFG is to make it so people have a way to advertise their group without just spamming the chat. It keeps making group organic to servers. It is made to advantage people that know people on their servers and to incentivize people meeting other people on their server.

The goal of RDF is to access the content “at all cost”. It merges servers together and wrap a bunch of people that will have next to not incentivization to socialize as they can just keep using the RDF tool. Then, when people get to max level they will be lost because they cannot use that tool to access endgame content.

[Drinknblink-benediction]

Some of the stupidest things I have ever read lmfao.

[Äpathy-mankrik]

So what you’re saying is, the tools are used for the same thing but RDF is just better at doing it.

I do not care for your propaganda. “At all costs” lmao

Your complaint is that RDF is not social because it goes cross realm. Irrelevant, servers exist for capacity and latency purposes. Whatever community you foster can be done cross realm as well, and honestly players should be allowed to queue up with anyone for any version of content from any realm for any reason. Unlike you I don’t care about someone’s server tag and if I like them, I’ll play with them.

It’s almost like you’re basing this all on an archaic and dated mindset and just want basic tribalism of servers over actual social interactions, despite using social interactions as the forefront of your argument.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

You clearly have not understood what I wrote. And you keep ignoring my points.
That’s how you get tribalism.

You’re just trying to divide players when the real fight you gotta have is with Blizzard not me.

[Deunan-atiesh]

“Sorry, I can Queue solo in LFG, its a pretty selfish system honestly.”

Can’t understand the desire to create barriers when none are needed. RDF is the better system for dungeon grouping, what these people should be asking themselves is why not interact with those in an RDF group? they aren’t bots, socialize with them if you want.