We also wanted flying
We also wanted DKs and demon hunters
We also wanted player housing
We also wanted faction changes
We also wanted free respecs
We also wanted an offline option
We also wanted solo raids and dungeons like D2
We also wanted a lot of things that isn’t vanilla.
Your logic is flawed at best, more realistically it isn’t there at all.
(1) The new models conflict with the old, the old animations do not function with the new rigging and animations. They conflict. The option was a bent spoon, it never worked, it gave you old skin stretched over the new rigging. The old animations and rigging were completely removed. The armor even had to be adjusted just to make them fit the new models thus not fitting the old.
(2) Prioritizing the new models over the old contrary to the goals and tenants of the project is so backwards I wouldn’t know where to begin. The fact we should have to fight to retain the old models is attrocious. What part of muesum piece, “if you woke up from a long coma you wouldn’t notice any changes” or authenticity is hard to understand?
(3) You can play BFA anytime - I’m getting sick of this - the same people who screeched “you think you, but you don’t” and spent years telling us no one wants vanilla servers are continously trying to hijack the project. BFA is waiting for you. ‘What they are supposed to look like’ in vanilla is how they were literally were during vanilla. The project is a historical recreation of the game back then EXACTLY as it was, the devs LITERALLY state that as their goal. What you feel and what is fact are entirely different things. If you’re going to lobby to bastardize the game then at least be honest about it. What I see is bored retail players trying to hijack the project and then when people call them out on it, they wig out.
The new models came in WoD, the artists that originally that designed them did not remake them. The majority of devs that worked on that game had either moved on, left or were working on other projects, no amount of condescension will change the fact that the original game and what it evolved in to are diametrically opposed to each other across the board. Whether that’s artstyle, lore, intended audience or gameplay. They might as well exist in two seperate universes.
My issue is that criticism doesn’t seem fair, considering all the issues people seem to ignore with the old stuff. I couldn’t look at my human run from the side, or I’d see his calf pop out of his leg like it was some weird implant. Not to mention the face, beard, and hair options were mostly crap, and I hated spinning around like a top when I used heroic strike with a 1her. On the other hand I miss my crappy crew-cut look my character had, they kinda borked it in the new version. I also liked some of the old animations that went away. And there are some basic choices I can look at and say were cool in Classic that retail moved away from.
So again, criticizing one is fine, but ignoring glaring issues with the original stuff makes it all feel disingenuous. Instead of just criticizing something, it feels like you have an agenda.
Agenda of not having models with sloppy, wobbly, jumpy pandaren-like animations in Classic? I mean… yea.
I mean it’s a matter of opinions my dude. Obviously there are issues with both sides but if I prefer one side even if it’s clunky I am not going to criticize it because I like it. Yeah LFR is extremely efficient, but I think it is trash and I hate it because it ruins the game in my opinion. Is looking for raid groups in vanilla the best way to do it? For some probably not because it isn’t efficient. But I think the ‘issues’ with it is what makes the game great.
Criticism is always fair as long as it is true to the person saying it. I don’t have to say, “I think the new are trash I hate them they look horrible, but the new ones can be seen as trash to others”. I can just say I hate the new ones and it’s fair.
That’s what the thread has turned into down the way, but the OP was pretty much just trashing the current graphics. I’m not making any arguments for putting new graphics in Classic.
Year and half later, and people here are still conflating the new models with features like dynamic shadows that can be toggled via a slider in the game menu. The latter will be in the game - the former won’t. The adjustable graphics options for stuff like better shadows & denser ground foliage were in the demo, they will be in the release, and you can simply leave it on the default setting if you’re not interested in those things.
Old topic is old. Moving on.
There’s nothing wrong with that at all. It’s ok to hate one thing and love another you don’t have to love it all or hate it all. Idk why this is shocking
There is nothing wrong with that, but I don’t understand why it belongs in a Classic game discussion. We’re getting the original graphics, there’s nothing to really stress about there. You can talk about what you like about one thing without attacking another. Like I can talk about how much I like the special effects in the original Star Wars without trashing CGI work done by someone who worked on the current trilogy that’s unfolding. Maybe if you were still planning on watching the new movies I would get it, but most people here aren’t planning on playing retail. So getting into why you don’t like it just doesn’t make sense to me.
Yet people constantly bring the topic of “improved graphics” into this section of the forum. You might’ve noticed a lot of topics and people in this one that preach inclusion of new models into the game.
Alright man, you can direct your comments at them? lol
I think this part I bolded right here is exactly why it belongs in a classic game discussion.
You can sure, you can also explain why you hate the new thing, which is also okay. If that hurts your feelings or offends you then I don’t think the internet is a safe place for you. Are you really against just bashing of anything at all? Or are you just defending retail because you love it?
Yeah but if you hate the new CGI on the new star wars why are you not allowed to bash it? Why are you so against criticism? If I go to a restaurant and am served a raw piece of chicken on my plate would you suggest I just say “You know I really like that other taco place we went to”… No I am going to say “This place is terrible look what they did to my chicken”.
How does that not make sense to you? I tried something, I hated it, I explain why I hated it, and I explain why I like the other way. You can not tell me you have never once in your life have done this. Let’s not try to fool anyone here.
I mean right here you’re just misconstruing my feelings here entirely lol. I’m here to discuss how people criticize something, and what feels more convincing and what feels like rubbish. So I’m criticizing the criticisms. I’d rather read a review of something that focuses on the product being reviewed, instead of comparing it to another product.
I’m not particularly upset about anything here bud, just throwing in my 2 cents.
Old graphics were better because it was stylized just like warcraft 3. It felt like everything was miniature from a tabletop game.
Now it feels like a disney pixar movie.
great for you! i want my graphics like Warcraft 3 Reforged!
so lets have both so we both are happy?
May the best man win
Let’s do that!
We play Classic with the old graphics and you play BfA with the new one! Everyone’s happy!
Sounds good to me my man!
https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth
I’m sure you have never before done this. You think it may have something to do with your bias towards retail?
comments like this are never surprising when reading purist comments
That’s not even me saying it but Blizzard themselves