I think it may have existed at one time and they decided not to “pull it” and now will use different approaches for the rest of the expansion.
They are adding more coven powers soon via items i doubt it.
nope. nope. you’re being annoying again.
that’s all you’re choosing to read because your only argument is “1% MIN MAXERS!!”
i’ve had about 4 discussions with you in this thread, and each time I mention that I want to go from the most powerful covenant and play around with less powerful ones for fun, you disappear. do you want me to go and quote each time?
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100% this.
Anyone who doesn’t play a class they enjoy because it doesn’t hit the top simms is too stupid to be playing in the first place.
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Kids, make sure you find a partner in life who stands up for you as fervently and unwaveringly as Haavi stands up for badly-thought-out borrowed power systems with restrictions included in an ill-conceived attempt to adhere to an ill-defined, nebulous set of standards that apparently decide what is and isn’t a proper RPG.
Seriously; I come back to this thread a few days later and Haavi is here around the clock fighting tooth and nail to defend such an unnecessary and damaging feature of Shadowlands. Is this hill really worth dying on? Would your enjoyment in the game really be lessened if switching between covenants were as easy and unrestricted as switching between talents?
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Because you wish it
Exactly, like can each “anti-ripcorder” please just think about this. Like if the ripcord WAS pulled, would it even affect you like at all? While making millions of players infinitely happier?
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yeah, I don’t think so. I don’t think removing all limitations and eliminating gameplay decisions magically retains quitters. Lots of people quit who are not really engaged with the game anyway.
Currently playing Arden (or Rivn, or Maldrax, or Bastion) means you have access to some things and not others. Like it or hate it, that’s what gives that choice weight, meaning, and punch. Take that away and the game goes blandsville on a bunch of levels.
All of this pro-pull-cord stuff smacks of empty poser min-max whinerbaby complaining. Maybe not you, cause I don’t know you, but really, it does.
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Keeping it the way it is eliminates gameplay choices. I can’t pick based on what I want rp or cosmetic wise because player power is tied to it.
Also thank you for confirming you are of the group that wants to punish people who dare to “min max” why in the world should they be able to choose for cosmetic purposes.
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Why 7 expansion in are we suddenly forced to make a choice for characters that could have existed for over a decade? If I choose to play warlock because I like being edgy and ranged in wrath, why do I suddenly need to make the meaningful choice to be a fairy warlock to do gud damage? The meaningful choice for a lot of people is, wow I really like doing pvp so I better be venthyr on my priest, but wow I really like raiding too so I guess i’m stuck with disc for all time. These abilities simply change your loadout, and are inconvenient to swap. They function like slightly better talents and punish players for wanting to play the game well on their own terms.
Blizzard should have made a meaningful choice to make a more user friendly system in this regard.
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Incidentally who else is looking forward to doing all their testing of legendaries and builds in the ptr, for figuring out what legendaries and covenants to play. Because you won’t be able to do it as easily on live!
Lmao @ people thinking arbitrarily being worse at areas of the game you want to enjoy because of covenants is good for the game under the guise of some “meaningful choice.”
The real choice people are making is just not replaying content. Which is bad.
People already determine which areas of the game they want to be strong at by the class they play. Covenants being restricted does nothing positive for the game.
Nothing. It doesn’t even make sense to the story.
And there should be no reason that you should care if somebody else wants to swap covenants. Them swapping does nothing to you. Stick to your covenant if it means a lot to you.
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People can min-max to their hearts delight with the current system, there is zero block to this. There should be no qualms about how things are right now and the fact that there are differences because of the choices we make is a good thing, a very good thing. There is no block to a min-maxer. Zero.
One can can try to make-up problems out of whole cloth here if they want to try. Good luck with keeping your game fun but definitely, this is propaganda and your pov should not win out. But it could and the game would be poorer for it, we never know. … … Blizzard does tend to cave these days, so maybe.
There always has been a way to pull one, just delete all the covenant abilities, remove any related interations between them and things like quest objectives / conduits / torghast anima powers, then re-tune all existing content to reflect these changes… of course, this takes effort, so Blizzard won’t do it… especially now that more Blizzard staff are leaving for Dreamhaven and elsewhere, because they justifiably can’t stand Activision anymore…
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I dont know – my literal best two were two themes I liked for RP.
People still arguing the min/max point and how people shouldn’t be able to bE tHe BeSt EvEryWhErE still not understanding two very basic points
- people want to swap to get away from the best covenant they already chose to play with the less good ones, going against the entire idea of min/maxing
and
- locked covenants only make it harder for classes that struggle in multiple areas of the game to keep up with the classes that are already great everywhere (because, you know, covenants being a thing doesn’t stop that from happening) and have covenants that are also the best in multiple forms of content. I.E how Night Fae Mage & Boomkin are already great at everything and their covenants are the best everywhere.
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Paladin Super Hammer Wham Bam Covenant ability from the Kyrian says otherise. That ability alone bumps up rets already powerful burst to an unacceptable large margin.
I don’t think Blizzard can pull Shadowlands out of the tail spin its already in unless you throw in a new pilot and a fresh crew.
I don’t see that happening though.
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In 9.3 OP, we all know the last patch is when all the systems finally make sense and are fun, instead of just being boring grind. Just look at Legion and BFA.