Ok, who still DOESN'T want the ripcord pulled and why?

Just because you don’t understand something does not mean it is nonsensical. :man_shrugging:

I don’t understand why players chase 1% dps increases like it’s the one thing holding them back from being a world first raider whilst parsing green and grey, but people are doing it all the time.

In fact by definition the “majority” of players are playing below a purple standard, yet the “majority” of players also need these things unlocked to be competitive by their own definition.

The minority of players compete in mythic raid content and high M+ keys or PvP yet again the majority need these changes to be able to compete.

That doesn’t make sense.

The majority of the world thought the world was flat and look where that got them.
Actual jokes a side, that’s fine if people want to be stubborn about it. I definitely see that side and have advocated for changes that make it more reasonable, but the fact still remains is that cost is what makes a choice have substance.

Cost comes in many forms, but removing that cost removes the choice. It’s no longer a choice when you can simply swap between them freely, in fact it becomes less of a choice and more of an expectation as players have no reason to not have the perfect ability for every encounter, for every arena match, every M+.

Honestly, playing wait 10mins before every boss whilst everyone changes spec, talents, covenant, soulbind, conduits in raid sounds like a pretty dumb idea.

Accessibility is a curse that has plagued the game since WotLK and the fact people push for it is beyond me.
At the end of the day the game is an MMORPG, not some esport lobby style game that people want it to be. There are other games for that itch.

Considering the argument for is “but muh 1%, I can’t kill heroic Sludgefist without it”. I’d argue that depending on the side of the fence all sides seem equally dumb.
Also before you claim otherwise, remember that 95%+ aren’t doing mythic so you can’t claim that all people are claiming they need their 1% as cutting edge raiders because they absolutely are not.

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I like the system the way it is. I like playing the game within the rules that have been set up - rules that, yes, make life difficult for all the min/maxxers out there, and the folks who push content to its limits. Rules that make sense within the context of the story.

I’m never going to be pushing high keys. That’s ok with me - I don’t need that kind of stress in a game I play for fun. So “pulling the ripcord” nets me absolutely nothing - except maybe to trivialize playing within the system.

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I really enjoy seeing people pay real money to play games they don’t like or hang out in forums of said games. I always wonder what kind of mental state they’re in. They must be ingesting some seriously powerful stuff.

They play Night Fae Druids and Kyrian Paladins.

That’s it. They love this expansion.

You know how much fun it is to run into a 40m pile of people in Ashran in full Duelist gear, pop wings, shield and every other cooldown imaginable and single handedly take a game I joined with alliance at our bridge, all the way to a win without dying in one push?

I look at the score when I joined, games been going for 15m and I’m DEAD LAST. At the end I’ve got the most damage and honorable kills.

It feels amazing.

I’m sure it feels amazing when some Balance Druid / Rogue alts in 197 Covenant Welfare Armor demolish me in one global because they caught me on cooldown as well.

But I still say pull the ripcord.
But they won’t.

So my advice?

Reroll. Enjoy it. They are BUFFING BOOMKINS AND CONVOKE…

It’s hilarious. Enjoy it. There’s still plenty of time :smiley:

HEROIC CN / MYTHIC CE NATHRIA LOOT FUNNEL AVAILABLE PST

PLATE STACK LEATHER STACK MAIL STACK CLOTH STACK SPOTS AVAILABLE PST

24 HOURS A DAY SPAM AVAILABLE 7 DAYS A WEEK 365 DAYS A YEAR PST MYTHIC KEYSTONE MASTER PST

That’s crazy… What a generous bunch of folks to carry them with their gimpy broken dps all that way without kicking them like I have personally experienced several times coming into an expansion with a sub optimal class/spec for the content.

Self defeating statement friend.

You admitted that the content is not only doable, but also doable with weights attached. If that is the case why do you need the absolute optimal 1% benefit when obviously the content is more than doable with less than optimal players.

So basically the current design is fine because noone needs their “BiS” ability to do the hardest content available in game.:man_shrugging:

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They didn’t play at all.

The other “BiS” ability guys completely carried them.

19 BiS guys. One non BiS guy.

The evidence is out there, statistically. The overwhelming majority of players either rerolled or quit.

The trash player outliers, like yourself, who don’t care about being trash geared as a result of joining a trash covenant and can’t get into any groups while happily frolicking along, getting demolished in every aspect of the game besides running old raids, are the EXTREMELY VOCAL and irrelevant minority.

I’m still trying to figure out what that term means myself lol

Pulling the ripcord is removing the permanent Covenant Abilities system.

Let you switch Covenant Abilities in town, like talents. So if you enjoy one covenants abilities for certain things over another, you have that option.

This was something “Ion Hazzikostas” the game director of world of warcraft, brought to conception himself. This isn’t something the community just pulled out of thin air. He directly spoke about potentially doing this if they notice a huge statistical disparity between covenants in certain content.

The statistics are out. By his statement, they should have already pulled the ripcord months ago… But they haven’t. Even after so many have already quit the game… And posted here for months talking about not being able to switch and being locked into it and not wanting to have to start over with level 1 everything in a new covenant.

Having to earn all that anima… AGAIN… nah. people quit.

That’s pulling the ripcord.

Instead of basically permanently making you tied to one specific ability, which can severely hamper and/or destroy your chances of being accepted by other players into certain content because of your choices, like we have now.

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So they didn’t all need BiS though did they? So the 1% doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter how you slice it, the BiS covenant isn’t needed to do the content.

Your strawman attacks prove your inability to deny that fact.

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Don’t pull the rip cord without making abomination limb baseline.

My class won’t be able to function without it.

Shadowlands is what it is. A massive change would probably frustrate folks that are already invested in this system as it is.

I’d rather they just stay the course at this point, improve upon it, and when we get the next expansion, they stop tying power to decisions and go a more cosmetic route with it.

If Shadowlands changed the way spells looked or something with the covenant choice, that’d speak so much more to me than these additional abilities. I mean, yeah, it’s fun playing with new abilities here and there, but they just have way too much going on right now with legendaries, and covenants, and soul binds. It feels like a bad version of the artifact system on crack.

But I stopped caring about min/maxing and just started doing things way more casually this expac. If I won’t get into a group because of it, so be it.

No, They did. All 19 boosters were on the top covenant spec. Not a single booster is a gimp spec booster. That’s not how boosting works. They literally run a business. They don’t spec into gimp specs because feelings and lore. They don’t spec their raid boost toon into the best pvp spec because the love pvp. They don’t spec their raid boost toon into the best mythic plus covenant because they also love mythic plus.

Have you ever gotten a boost? They all have like 15 characters, all boosted themselves as well… by other coboosters in the same boosting community to help them boost by boosting eachother and getting boosted in return to boost people faster. That’s how boosting works.

When they do raid boost they get on the best raid boost toon for that boss. Switch toons for other bosses. They have separate mythic boost toons and switch toons based on dungeons.

You obviously have never bought a boost, so why argue on it?

Your strawman is burning man at calling my facts strawman.

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No offense to you Eijian, you just happened to be the first post I saw with it.

People realize that you can have a life, work, family etc and still push content. The “no lifers” thing really needs to die in a fire.

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very well put honestly, just had a pointer though.

The conception wasn’t necessarily brought on by Ion, he was just commenting on the idea of decoupling the covenant abilities from covenants (which then became known as “pulling the ripcord” as he described they could do that if need be) because a lot of people were already calling for something similar to be added. A lot of people really disliked the idea of having to pick one covenant for its aesthetic/RP reasons AND for player power so they wanted the RP/aesthetic to be its own choice and the player power part was just separate in a talent form of some kind.

People saw the issues coming from miles away but blizzard was stubborn and didn’t want to change it, and now look where we are lmao.

Why not just take the Skyrim approach where you can become the leader of every single guild/faction/covenant in the world?

Ah, I see. So he was aware of the community feedback on the issue and his answer was the “rip cord”, which they said was possible. I read somewhere someone from Blizzard said it wasn’t actually possible recently.

Which is even more hilarious… Because…

Of course it’s *@#(*ing possible.

Abilities aren’t genetic material naturally grown inside of a computer and if they change it, it dies…

It’s code. REWRITE IT.

But they probably paid some offshore company to do the systems work, so they refuse to put any more money towards paying some other, low budget incompetent company (WC3 reforged) to fix the issues they did poorly…

If you go read glassdoor you will see alot of the more technical developers aren’t even in house… They just have monkeys there tweaking stuff with the tools that were created from the outsourced company for them to use…

Any changes they want, they have to pay some other company to make. Such traaaaaaaaaaaaaash.

They are freaking ebay of games now, peddling wow.

So the kills were done with not everyone as the “BiS” covenant. Yes/no? It’s a simple question that you seem to be avoiding.

I don’t think you understand what a strawman argument is.

Your entire argument is strawman. You are saying my entire argument is baseless because 95% of BIS can carry 5% non BIS player…

That is literally the definition of a strawman.

95% being forced into BiS to achieve a goal does not equate to “Player Choice”.

Show me 95% non-BiS and 5% BiS Mythic Denarius done on a consistent basis by several different combinations and PLAYERS, not just a raid group of pro/boosters trying to make a youtube video lifetime achievement award for Icy Veins facebook page

I’m not sure about pulling the ripcord

But I think it’s absolutely necessary at this point for a “state of the union” from Ion.

not just some marketting blizzcon product announcement, but a good old fashion blue blog post outlining the state of the game, the intention and what is being done for future roadmap

We used to get these from Ghostcrawler and Metzen when there was contention. We never ever get this from Ion. we get nothing and I think that’s why so much animosity forms. He’s non communicative. He plays his cards close to his chest, and hes just generally AWOL from the player base when they’re not happy.

Honestly. Legion was great for me. but 3/4 of his expansions where he was driving, have been frankly. Bad.