i view it no different than the many numerous subscriptions i have that i hardly utilize, i.e. Hulu, Call of Duty Season pass or whatever other game… also protip… once you played and got all the entertainment value out of the game, you can always unsub and resub when new content comes along if it bothers you to remain subbed even though you aren’t doing much or much like Hulu, rarely ever watch anything on it.
I would be against it if they did anything to make you feel like covenant is your character’s identity.
As it is I just don’t care about them. None of them are likable. None of the covenants inspire any kind of loyalty. They’re all bland and boring.
They’ve done a horrible job of “meaningful choice” other than getting abilities A, B, C or D
9.3 when the catch up mechanics overrule the grind to hype people up for the next expansion.
Me. I enjoy the covenant system. I like there’s a choice that actually matters at endgame. Unfortunately because of how I play the game this does mean I’ll never see the full shadowlands story unless my friends stop doing m+ but I can deal with that.
From a narrative story point of view:
My warrior didn’t agree with any of the 4 factions and it was a really hard choice to pick one.
I went maldraxxus cause it sorta fit… I regret that now, but the pain of switching and grinding again is enough for me to just… not play
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They aren’t going to do it.
In their eyes we just don’t understand their “vision” for the game.
Not to be dismissive but the people that don’t want I gone tend not to do anything in the game that “matters” at all. I.e. they’re casual to the point that none of it matters to begin with and they don’t understand how it affects players that do care.
It still sucks that you have to play specific covenants for specific specs or be as much as 10-30% behind your peers because you picked what you thought was cool.
Not to mention if you want to play multiple specs that require different covenants to perform properly.
This borrowed power nonsense–in its current iteration–needs to go already.
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People keep making broad generalizations like this, yet any check of actual high ranking players shows it to be far more mixed. Among the top 20 IO MM Hunters, for instance, there are 10 Kyrian, 7 Night Fae, and 3 Venthyr.
Meanwhile, Venthyr was previously sold by casual Warriors as the only viable ST option, even while higher-end players confirmed that it was actually only situationally best, and could soon be overtaken by Night Fae, especially on Fury. Now, in Mythic CN, the best Fury parses are predominantly Night Fae, and the best Arms parses feature all four covenants, though Night Fae and Venthyr lead.
That’s not to say there aren’t some undertuned or under-applicable Covenants or Covenant Skills, but proportion of use by the average player isn’t nearly so well indicative of high-level usability as the forums make it out to be.
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I’m fine with the systems. They don’t bother me. I would recommend an adjustment to balance (although…does balance really exist for people who just sim everything??) and make it slightly easier to switch covenants.
When there’s utility that’s pretty much mandatory (like Kyrian for tanking, specially as a DH), it feels bad.
It feels bad enough that I had to level another DH for the purposes of tanking to the best of my class’ capabilities, and it feels bad that I have to start from scratch when I already have a geared DH that could be tanking…
Sure, I could tank as Night Fae, or I could DPS as Kyrian, but either feels bad. Tanking as Night Fae I feel like I’m missing tools, and DPSing as a Kyrian I feel like I’d be gimping my raid team by doing subpar dps.
At this point, I have to say that there’s really no reason to stick to a system that didn’t work out well in the best case, and is a limiting factor in the worst case.
They could easily justify making abilities “talents” in the context of 9.1, where Covenants are joining up to work together.
My 2c.
I don’t want people changing covenants pre-dungeon. So no, leave it like it is.
Its one of the few meaningful choices in the whole game (other than class-race). It gives flavor and identity. All these tryhards chasing 1-2% damage…you’re the one “ruining the game” for YOU.
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That is the thing, there is no ripcord and it isn’t even worth fantasizing about.
But like… data scrapped by WoWhead shows that they are doing that anyways.
I don’t want the ripcord pulled because I like the distinction between covenants and I’m self aware enough to know that the ~1% difference between the “best” and the “worst” choice ultimately wont affect my gameplay because I’m neither a 3k+ PvP’r or a World First Raider.
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Actually he was the one that said both .
In an interview he said if there is a problem and if we have to we have the ripcord ready to pull . Then in the original thread leading up to the original release date he went there never was a ripcord.
If there never was a ripcord he should of never said there was one then .
They should have allowed you to play every Covenant and then let you swap around to whatever Covenants ability you wanted to play, depending on the content you were about to do.
That to me would have opened the game up so much more! You’d actually be able to play everything in SL instead of having alts so you could see/do everything in SL.
I only chose Venthyr because:
- It was the last zone and I had to pick something.
- The teleport was nice for skipping PvE content occasionally.
While leveling I never used any of the abilities and I wasn’t going to go back and try them out.
Maybe I’ll try the others if I ever get any more chars to max. We’ll see.
Will there be a 9.3 ?
With 9.1 coming out when most x.2 patches would be coming out ,I’m not sure if there will be one and if 9.2 takes as long as 9.1 to come out we are looking at around Nov -Jan 2022 for it to release . Then add in that this is an odd number year so expect the next expansion to be announced by the end of the year.
So if they keep on their current content patch release schedule for SL , 9.3 would come out about the time the beta for 10.0 would come out and they usually don’t release content patches because they tend to have raids in them along with the betas. They want the world first players and those that push higher end content in the beta early on .
I like the different flavor of the individual covenants, and that it gives my alts distinctly different end game experiences. I like having choices that are impactful, and having consequences for FotM swapping is a good thing (I don’t care if YouTubers agree with me about meaningful choices). I like borrowed power systems. I think they make more sense than my character becoming infinitely powerful to the point of unbelievability.
I do think battle pets shouldn’t be covenant-locked (to use, not to buy) because that is not in line with how most other battle pets work (there are some, like the moonkin hatchling, that have Horde and Alliance equivalents, but the Alliance pets you buy from the Argent Tournament can still be used by Horde characters, for example).
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2383&class=Warlock&spec=Affliction&covenant=3
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26#boss=2383&class=Warlock&spec=Affliction&covenant=4
100-(5400/7900*100)=31%
You people love to throw around 1-2% alot. The difference above is 31%. Is that acceptable to you?
Also, imagine using tryhard as an insult. Like, you put effort into your hobby? What a loser.
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