And that is a terrible approach because you just hand them your money regardless and disregard completely you’re paying a subscription for something based of your statement doesn’t really give you any enjoyed over something that could be completely free.
I never did CM, and I don’t have the set. What is showing in my armory right now is the Legion class hall set for priest. The CM set is much nicer looking, IMO.
Ah ok. Priest two sets are much a like. But hey Lock has it and it’s the best.
If Blizzard pulled the ripcord tomorrow, how I play the game wouldn’t be fundamentally different, I just wouldn’t be stuck with a Covenant I don’t really like.
This is a pretty bad take.
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i’ve low key spent more time on hearthstone than wow for months now. and my bank account is frowning. they released like 98347593487545 heroes i’ve wanted since i started playing around a year ago like once a week for the last few months. picked up sylvanas, maiev, sir annoy o tron (pally hero), hamul runetotem, medhiv (cuz i’m sure as heck not using JAINA to play mage) etc etc. plus card backs. plus two large pre order bundles + random collections of things. for people who think wow is degenerate with microtransactions they need to never play one of blizz’s (or anyone’s) “f2p” games. 
i’ve paid for subs to: amazon prime, hulu, and netflix for months and i don’t even watch tv at all. but my wife does. we’re not rich by any means but i don’t drink, do illegal things, and usually roll my own smokes. other than food and bills…the money we do spend we spend on things that bring us joy. a game isn’t an abusive exclusive relationship. it’s okay to do other things too.
Basically this.
Ion specifically said he wanted the covenant choice to be as impactful as if you were picking a different class, not just a talent. Kyrian warriors should feel distinct from Venthyr warriors, etc.
As someone who plays a metric ton of alts, and frequently has more than 1 alt of a class at any given time, the diversity offered by the covenants feels really good to me.
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I don’t pay for what I don’t enjoy.
The thing about subscribing to a game you’re either not playing or not enjoying is that the only realistic way to send feedback to the developers they’re actually going to care about is based off of whether you subscribe or not. So if you’re not enjoying, subscribing is telling them you are which isn’t really a good thing.
But in the end, it’s your call, of course.
both my druids are night fae cuz… night fae. the leather mog is one of my favorites ever in the game (assuming you’re using the dress, as you should be) i legit want it on every single leather toon. i’ve even been thinking about it for my dh of all things. i have a problem. -.-
I used to play HS a bunch, but the breaking point for me was when I did the math and I realized that I’d have to spend over 300 USD an expansion or be stuck be playing face hunter or zoo lock 
Now I play Legends of Runeterra, cause it’s the only decent CCG that isn’t a complete scam in regards to it’s pricing.
The only ability that fundamentally changes how I play Warlock is Soulshape. And I don’t suddenly feel like a new class cause my mobility isn’t complete garbage.
That’s cool! You do you!
I just personally love how the covenant creates differences amongst my characters of the same class. My nelf boomy/resto is definitely a fae, but my Kul Tiran guardian druid feels thematically at home amongst the necrolords. Cosmetics and theme aside, both of the covenant abilities and the soulbinds contribute to this feeling. It wouldn’t feel as impactful if it was just a talent you could swap at any rested area.
And yes, the night fae mog is pretty darn top-tier.
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I mean, I’m all for pulling the ripcord.
But fundamentally, Covenants being a bad system in my eyes just isn’t a dealbreaker. It’s like getting a bad looking tier set. I might grumble but all it means is that going forward I just won’t care about that content.
i know and i’ve said so. i was simply stating that it’s okay to do other things. i pay for a phone bill every month and i don’t spend 24/7 doing nothing but making phone calls either. i currently have 6 days left on my sub and have been talking to my wife about trying out ff instead for “our” mmo game. i have talked to wow friends about it but i haven’t mentioned it on the forums before this because it’s not something that actually matters. if i decide to play one, or both, or neither. that doesn’t change the meat of what i said. NO game is that. we’re arguing over $15 a month. i spent more on afk arena in literally one day than i have in wow in 6 months. (used my part of our tax refund obv) and afk is…you guessed it… f2p.
I think this ripcord trend is exactly why i dont like developers sharing their ideas and concepts with streamers. lol.
Id rather devs jsut stick to their core chocies if i enjoy or not its up to me.
Convenants switching could be easier, thats all. No point in making it take two weeks. The rest is fine imo.
There isn’t multiple metas though.
If you have a convenants that is flexible and you do raid, m+ and pvp for instance the choice is crystal clear for most cases.
Meta always narrow everything, thats the point of a meta. There aren’t multiple metas.
Wishful thinking.
I’ve recently cancelled my sub, and I actually am in the camp that have literally no problems with the covenant system. I don’t think it’s a great system, but I don’t think it’s bad. I think it’s a system that certainly wasn’t given the dev attention to really shine, but I don’t think its awful.
It’s everything ELSE that is the dealbreaker for me. lol
The dungeon design, mythic+ implementation, the max level world design, the maw, torghast having no rewards, the overall class design right now, the lack of fun stuff to do, etc…
The leveling experience and the covenants are probably the only parts I’m relatively happy with. heh
But I certainly understand the complaints about the covenants, so I won’t really DEFEND them at all.
My point was merely that if you’re not really playing a game or, worse, if you’re not enjoying it when you are playing… if you continue paying the developers, you’re sending them the message ‘you’re doing a good job, keep it up!’, which may not be productive for your long-term enjoyment.
Me.
I am still having fun and don’t demand that someone else’s game design conform to my will.
I enjoy the system as it is so I don’t see a need to change it.
Also, you could just put these threads as posts in the dedicated thread so that one guy can stop making alts to bump it for a while. It would be the nice thing to do.
Which is why I said “one of” not the reason.
I’m not sure how this is different from presenting opportunities as opposed to forcing and issue though like you said.
You are presented with opportunities to join a covenant at the cost of joining the other ones.
I think it is good that players are given options to choose aspects of their class and how they play.
Players aren’t being “shafted” they are being forced to make a choice.
By the same degree you are saying players are being shafted if they don’t pick the “right” class because it isn’t the best.
Players put that on themselves and others, specs like Survival, Arms, Sub, and BM are all “trash tier” dps as far as the playerbase is concerned.
Yet all of those classes have kills of Mythic Sire Denathrius, if that is the case you can’t possibly claim that having the “incorrect covenant” makes that content undoable.
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Yes exactly this is what I mean by attaching player power to the covenants doesn’t make it a meaningful choice. This is a game, most people will pick covenants based on what ability feels the best to use, or the ability that is the best mathematically.
Why do you guys think having specs have more than 90% pick rates for a single covenant is diversity and meaningful choice? That literally makes no sense. If you want to see people make meaningful choices don’t put player power with RP because those two things are entirely separate. Imagine if depending on what you transmogged you got extra stats? Or if you have horns you get more crit? That would be the same thing we see now.
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