Official Soar/Dragon Riding Mega Thread!

How can you disagree about Pandaren? They have a sleep, they have increased EXP spooling based off of extended rest timers, they have a sleep, decreased fall damage and a persistent double bonus to food at all times?

This requires a 4.8-7.2 minute up-time to be competitive with other races on dungeon slice setting.

This also requires a 4.8-7.2 minute up-time.

Just as two examples. The difference here being is that Pandaren do not need to click an additional button to gain their racial, or need to wait for scaling, however - let’s back pedal about since now we’re bringing numbers into the mix. Orcs and Trolls seem to always find a way to creep their way to the top, both of which have on-demand button presses? So why are we so concerned about irrelevant, soft-cc, when we can clearly see who the actual winners of the Racial Ability Arms Race is.

Okay, so since you don’t need numbers, then give me rough estimates on how their DPS/HPS fares comparatively to other classes, then give me rough estimates as to how their racials impact those numbers and then we can continue discussing why numbers don’t matter.

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Oh I love it when bad internet trolls get trashed. You guys always resort to the same wittle baby insults and made up nonsense at the end.

Are these threads all because of the recent Asmon video on the subject?

Can someone explain why this is such a horrible change btw? It’s not like they removed Soar. Is it something to do with players who never unlocked flying in old zones or something else?

you can tell they are the same person because of the achievements. they both share 9515

I universally do not care about your opinion my dude. Maybe if you didnt start every post like a 4chan troll that got lost and forgot what forum you were on somebody would care about what you have to say.

Also Ive flat out said both are me. Like… 4 times now…

but… why though

Genuinely havent seen an Asmon video in my life to be honest with you.

I’m convinced that you’ll literally need to ask them to make it slower (like it’s too difficult to fly) if you want the to buff the speed.

Uh, no?

Easy. Soar is fun, Soar is loved, Soar is exciting. We always wanted to freely fly with our wings, and we loved Soar as it was, only that the cooldown is too long. So we kept asking for weeks to have its cooldown reduced.

Hoping that Blizzard would listen to our feedback, as apparently they’re doing lately, they not only have kept the cooldown, but they reduced the speed of Soar, making it slower and more difficult to use.

If they at least had removed the cooldown, I bet none of us would be here right now talking about the nerf.

I was checking notifications on an old chracter, then the troll got angry so I kept doing it.

“Reasons” is the only reason I’ve seen for having a superior world travel racial. If your “reasons” are the same as the other guy’s “reasons” doesn’t this make you a troll by your own definition?

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soar had to be nerfed.

it was to overpowered and it’s still faster than the fastest flying you can get

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Explain how it was OP, please. Not a single soul yet has but you guys keep saying it while all the testers scream into the void trying to explain how youre wrong.

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No. Or rather, okay but with a cooldown reduction.

It wasn’t.

Only if you jump from Mount Hyjal or Blackrock Mountain. If you use it elsewhere you’re not even close to 300% speed.

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Dragonriding is faster, IF you’re going downhill. It’s monumentally slower I’d you’re, say, trying to climb to the top of Hyjal, or if you’re herb farming on a slope. It requires setup and preconditions to be faster. And even then, it gotta recharge.

It’s great and it’s great fun, but it won’t replace TBC style flying entirely.

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The change is simply unnecessary and their reasoning for it (faster pet battles, OP world traversal when mages exist, etc.) is nonsensical.

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just use a flying mount then

mages are a mechanic for the world.

soar is just a flavor ability but it could be overpowered in world pvp.

A racial ability line-up can still be OP without directly boosting DPS numbers. For example, the two short cooldown soft-interrupts can be very useful in M+ (as explained earlier) but will have no impact on DPS/HPS.

Solely judging if the Drakthry racial abilities on how they impact DPS/HPS output isn’t taking into account the utility benefits that the race has…and can still make it OP.

For example, when arguing the strength of the Panda racials you mention multiple utility abilities that do not directly contribute to DPS/HPS.