Ironic, in a post just prior to me responding, you agreed that you were comparing soar to other abilities. The point is, with every other ability, it is slower or it directly takes you to a SET destination, the other abilities CANNOT get you to other areas in the world dynamically.
With mages, you can teleport to a major city, from there you can mount up on your 310% flight mount then travel to where you need to go.
With Druids, lets face it, you can’t instantly get anywhere, you’re stuck traveling at either 100% mounted speed or 310%.
With Dark Iron Dwarves, you have to physically go to any mole machine that you do not have access to, meaning you need to do a LOT of initial prep work and it works in the same way as mage teleports, it is SET destinations to where you can then mount up on your 310% flight mount.
With Vulpera, you have to PHYSICALLY head to the location you want to go to first THEN put down your camp, but wait YOU’RE ALREADY AT THE LOCATION YOU WISH BE AT.
Worgens are stuck with an ability that grants them 100% movement speed, its the same as druids.
Dracthyr will be the new meta race and class for ranged dps or spell casters if soar was given 940% speed. You can farm 9.4 times faster than those using ground mounts, you can farm 3.013 times faster than those stuck to regular flight mounts.
It is a statistically stronger ability to get around faster and farm faster. If you want a 940% soar, lets remove 99.99% of the gold from every single player in the game, drop the gold cap down good ol vanilla standards while dropping prices of vendor items exceeding the cap.
You cannot go that far, but it isn’t a flight form, and it has a fifteen minute cooldown, so what is your point here? Plus - on top of that, how is it overpowered that you can move from one place to another that much faster? You still have yet to make a valid point. No other mount has a “cooldown”, so what exactly are you trying to say here? Your points fundamentally don’t make sense.
Yes, you’re correct about the Teleports, but once again - what if they aren’t in the same continent as the raid? Not to mention, overall, the aforementioned classes and races will be faster due to the fifteen minute cooldown.
Plus, let me remind you, that all of this logic is coming from the same person who unironically thinks;
When that was in no way the argument, or suggestion. Travelling from one place to another has to be one of the most silly suggestions as to why a class is “meta” or not.
The fact you think you have a leg to stand on with this, because you are only thinking in single instances, and not overall gameplay, when this nerf doesn’t affect single instances, but overall gameplay, so your points of bringing up how you have to setup Vulpera Camp, or set destinations with the Mole Machine doesn’t matter.
So saying this is just incorrect at every verifiable level by just analyzing what the ability does, and how it impacts the game, when it really doesn’t. So even implying that somehow this race will be meta on the basis of Soar is just laughable at this point.
You still have yet to honestly compare this or acknowledge it with standard Dragon Riding, where most players will be spending their time, in the most recent expansion. Dracthyr only have a Level 1 Dragon Riding, and one that is a reduced movement speed at that, whereas compared to the standard Dragon Riding that everyone has access to is the standard 940% Movement Speed that can level up and be more efficient to just hop on your dragon than using your racial in every conceivable way outside of flavor on the Dragon Isles and the only places it actually matters is the old world content, which I’ve covered does not affect the game in any relevant capacity.
That’s all I have left to say, all I’m left with is the fact you’re just a bad troll who is trying to stir the pot on this topic. You have several people telling you that you are wrong, and presenting verifiable data that proves it, and your only leg to stand on is bad anecdotes that have nothing to do with the conversation or actively work against your arguments.
Any further response will be left on read. Appreciate your time to help further prove that the nerfs are unjustified.
Counterpoint: Dragonriding and soar WILL make or break the expansion for many players whose primary interest is world content. And the fact that it is not tied in any way to player power or the big three, as you mentioned, means there’s no reason whatsoever to nerf the FUN world content players will get from these features in the name of “balance” and “fairness.”
That’s the issue. It’s World of Warcraft. World. Of. Warcraft. Some people fell in love with this game because of the world, not because they like GO GO GO ESPORTS EXTRAVAGANZA INSTANCE LOBBY!!!
Yes, the talent trees and UI are the most important things. But the Soar nerf and it’s (lack of) justification reveals significant problems with their underlying design philosophy and prioritization.
If the talent trees and UI are what will make or break this game, why are they wasting any time at all “fixing” Dragonriding and Soar when the feedback to the initial iterations was almost universally positive and has only gone downhill sense? They are currently in the process of breaking these features in order to fix problems no one has, and that is a huge monumental design problem that needs to be called out NOW, in alpha, while there’s still time to change it.
Need I remind you that “solving” problems no one had is how we got Azerite reforging, Covenant restrictions, conduit energy, and the AoE cap. Soar is merely the latest canary in the coalmine that somehow, for some reason, someone in the dev team is still thinking with the kind of thought process that got us the features that compromised the fun of BFA and Shadowlands and ultimately sabotaged those expansions.
Within current content, everyone will be able to dragonride, and dragonriding is 30% faster than Soar now. You have no idea what you’re talking about and should stop.
I appreciate all of the feedback this week so far.
If you have time, please hop on the alpha thread and comment on their posts by linking them here, as well as, throwing them some up do’s if you agree with their feedback!
Well looks like some cooldown reduction 4 minutes and down to 3 on fully explored continents.
**Evoker
**Racial Abilities
** * Soar – Cooldown reduced to 4 minutes (was 5 minutes).**
** * Familiar Skies now reduces Soar’s cooldown by 1 minute on continents that you have fully explored."**
Do not take this as an olive branch, do not pat them on the back. Continue to push for exactly what we’ve been asking for. ZERO cooldown, no nerfs, copy paste dragon riding ability as the racial. Encourage the team to veto whoever is grandstanding with this set of decisions they’ve made as if it’s something worth keeping in any form.
Well, I’d like to thank Blizz for reducing the cooldown. I guess I can wait 3 minutes (with the racial), it’s better than 5 mins definitely. I’d still like to insist to reduce it to 2 mins with the racial.
And the speed nerf to be undone of course, but I’m starting to realize they’re not going to do it, at least not in a near future.
A current raid? Why should any one care? you still need the rest of your group to be there to run it! Being there first is not an advantage when it requires the full group to be there to actually do the activity. In fact, it probably helps the non-evokers more since evokers can get there a bit quicker and start summoning using the meeting stone.
A legacy raid for mount/mog farming? Why should anyone care? No one is in that raid with you, it doesn’t allow you to complete the raid itself any faster, and you are limited to one lockout per week for each raid! Getting there faster than another player is not going to offer you any real advantage, unless you’re making the argument that “If two players suddenly decide they want to farm mogs/mounts 2 hourse before a server reset, the Evoker -might- make it to one extra raid than the non-evoker.”
…And again, as plenty of others have said, the max speed requires setup. The time it takes to find a leaping-off point for optimal soaring plus the actual travel to your destination, in most cases, will likely be -slower- than simply hopping on your 310% mount and just heading straight there.
I have decided to not buy Dragonflight unless this change is reverted. I honestly don’t care about the speed or usability of the skill. At most its gonna be a alt character I rarely play. But I can’t agree at all with the reasons they gave. The person who is in the position of power to make the change has zero clue about the game. They messed this up 100% so what are they gonna see as a problem later down the line? I was excited for the expansion because it appeared they were coming back to form so to speak but this change ripped away the little bit of goodwill that was rebuilt.
Blizzard, I’ve been trying to get your attention on Twitter to no avail. I guess in addition to tweeting the same thing every day I will now be posting here.
Please revert the reduction to the speed of the dracthyr racial ability Soar in Dragonflight.
Please comment on the community’s feedback/reaction to the reduction to the speed of the dracthyr racial ability Soar in Dragonflight.
They need to just nerf all classes to max speed of RP walk. Remove mounts all together. Remove loot while they’re at it because it’s not fair I run a full raid and get nothing while others get 2-3 pieces. Also, remove the AH! It’s completely unfair some people get to sell BOP epic items and make enough gold for free subs but BOEs never drop for me.
