Obsession with Primordial Wave must end

Why was it played in Season 1 on literally every fight in VOTI and on Mythic Sark and Echo where it was permanently top 3 dps on overall and boss damage for all of Season 2 when Enhance had a build agnostic Tier set favoring both Storm and Elementalist builds? Only the Season 3/4 tier set was specifically designed around Pwave. IF anything Storm is the more reliant on Tier sets to make it good got play on literally just Terros in VOTI for cringe parse chasing and the most piss easy fights in Aberrus with Rashok being the only actual difficult fight Storm was played on and if it wasnā€™t for Windfury you would have just played Ele since it was quite literally better than Enhance for every fight expect Echo and Sarkā€¦because Pwaveā€™s funnel/prio damage profile literally complemented the fight for them. Same thing for multiple bosses in every raid in DF.

Currently literally every single Enhance build is running Pwave WITHOUT Splintered Elements or Primal Maelstrom.

Yeahā€¦thats how builds workā€¦ Stormstrike is also a piss do nothing button if you dont take 7 talents supporting it. Same thing with Lava Lash.

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We are saying its not fun. Not arguing against the numbers. I guess you never played another class since SL because their abilities are great.

Yes everyone took it because the tier was based around it. Still doesnā€™t mean pwave is a good ability. that just means they baked in a lot of performance into this button press.

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I mean I found Enhanceā€™s version to be stupid fun in Keys and Raid. Lot of cool and neat way to play around with itā€¦if you actually knew how to do it. Canā€™t say the same about Eleā€™s version however.

SL all of the cov abilites for Shaman were dogwater. DF/TWW Pwave and SL Pwave are not the same thing. Yall need to get over your stockholm syndrome about SL.

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I guess it depends on what spec to me.

I donā€™t like it for R-Sham, itā€™s a clunky design.

Eleā€™s P-wave is meh. Whatever.

Enhancement P-wave is good, adds to the spec imo. I actually want them to improve upon it(even though they just nerfed it to only generating 5 msw, hopefully they improve/restore it.).

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Enhance is probably the best version. Agreed

Part of elementalā€™s problem is Lava Burst is just crap now. Its not worth spreading flameshock to cleave lava burst, thus pwave design is broken.

Resto it is clunky, and it does not feel impactful. Would work better if it procced on Surge cast too so it can benefit from crit chance

The other issue is that other times they just shove too much power into it like in Season 3/4. Itā€™s still worth it in Keys for the Maelstrom generation and the Haste amp. Iā€™ve accidently done a few keys without LMT and you deff notice a difference gameplay wise not cleaving more targets with PWave.

The fun effect is the lightning bolt cleave and haste-str-va-ganza. That could be built into anything. Its not intrinsic to pwave, and that is the heart of this thread.

The fun part of pwave could be built into wolves, doomwinds or LMT. After casting LMT your next lava burst hits all targets affected by your flame shock. After casting doomwinds your next lightning bolt hits all targets blah blah blah. Hence all pwave offers is an additional flame shock or rip IMO

This might illustrate the point. Druids had two amazing SL abilities. Adaptive Swarm and Conoke. Both of them so fun and loved, so central that it was not conceivable to choose only one, so they got both carried into DF.

Literally this just sounds like griping about nothing. The lightning bolt/lava burst cleave is also literally build into the button itself. Again it just sounds like pissing and moaning about it being an SL ability.

Itā€™s an actually solid mechanic though. Itā€™s condensed into one ability which feels good on Enhance. Enhance is usually clunky and more convoluted. The P-wave ā€œpackageā€ works for Enhancement, why change it?

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Iā€™m 100% convinced people complain about PWave because they play it bad or donā€™t understand how to use it effectively.

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No its really the quality of the shaman SL abilities. I love SL abilities. I love Adaptive Swarm, Covoke, Shifting Power, Basionā€™s Spear, Abomb Limb

Buttons you just hit and turn your brain off. Got it.

you press pwave and hit lightning bolt. How much teraflops you cranking in your brain for that?

Well in DF its was optimal to hit Pwave on CD to keep it on cooldown and then play around using either Lvb, CL, or EB to spend the MSW you generated but hold on to the lightning bolt cleave for an optimal moment, especially in season 3/4. Larry on pull for example youā€™d open with Pwave > Wolves > EB then build back up past 5+ MSW saving Lava Lash until the adds spawned and were by the boss to spread Shock it to the treaents and THEN hit lighting bolt to cleave for 32% haste instead of sending it instantly and only getting 20% (and less cleave). In Season 2 for Mythic Sark when you could cast it on yourself you did similar stuff to burst on the first add set in P2 by casting it on yourself at 2:05 to 2:08 while downstairs to get it linedup on every add set; if you came up to Pwave the boss it would be desynced for the 2nd and 3rd sets which is hella bad since we were one the best specs at funneling the mythic add/boss. Multiple fights had you do that and if you were good at doing it in M+ it increased your Wolves uptime considerably.

You still do some of that tech now in TWW but its not as punishing to hold as much. You cast it early on a boss if you know adds will come out soon and be ready to Lava Lash and do your bolt cleave. Putting in on CD earlier often lets you get more usages or have more flexability in how you use it. None of the SL abilities offered that. Itā€™s a way cooler button than most people give it credit.

To clarify; yes, I am aware that you sort of do build and spend maelstrom weapon. The cursed thought there was the Maelstrom Bar getting latched back onto this spec.

God, Legion was such a cursed time. Putting a Rage Bar on Enhance Shaman was certainly . . . one of the ideas of all time.

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I meanā€¦ Enhance is literally a builder spender

Iā€™m mean if youā€™re not playing enhance with some form of MSW bar weakauraā€¦IDK what to tell you. Itā€™s like playing a caster without a cast bar.

Itā€™s also quite literally a builder spender spec. Thats literally the whole point of the spec.

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Anyway, if anything pwave needs better supporting talents.

Primal maelstrom has been murdered, splinter too. When they should have buffed them because they were already weak.

For elemental there no longer is the flash CDR so they need to give back at least the better splinter. And thatā€™s the bare minimum.

I also do not think magma totem is fitting as a capstone like at all. In fact I would much rather get another way to spread shock, which I already suggested a couple of times. Bring back wind speaker and wind speaker procs also make your burst deal AOE splash damage,spread shock and generate more Ms to up to 6 targets.

so the effect the button has, is being removed from the button for your argument, thus the button is bad?

yeah if all elemental blast did was /wave at the target Iā€™d think that was bad too, tf

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It blows my mind that they dumpstered all 3 of the coolest shaman abilities from Shadowlands and kept the lamest one.

I really want to see Chain Harvest return in some capacity.

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