You are moving the goalpost now. Funny that you don’t see it.
and you are deflecting/ignoring the fact that you got called out on making a claim without evidence. i am still waiting for you to prove ‘twitch drove classic hype’ beyond your feelcraft
Ok, she is absolutely wrong about the hype coming from twitch. Not all of us are 12 year olds who watch other people play video games however, no reason to knock someone’s spec. This isn’t retail where the whole “meta or die” is “a thing”.
I know it because of my twitch expertise and millions of dollars donated to my favorite cult leaders, of course.
Also I’m Holy.
lmao sorry didnt mean to trash ret, i was more speaking to the personality type that expects reality to bend to their feelings while ignoring contrary evidence aka ppl who raid as ret without acknowledging that it is relative dead weight.
ok so no actual evidence, only your feelings? but to you, this constitutes sufficient evidence? i think ive heard enough
Yes, humans have feelings and they matter, unlike undead feelings.
It can be dead weight but so can any spec if the player themself is incompetent, which is not uncommon.
But that’s the beauty of Classic, nobody cares. Raids can be done with half the amount of people. There are even videos of people 3-manning Onyxia.
But back on topic, streamers don’t help this game at all. Some say “free advertising” which is a pro, but all the cons that come along with them far out-weigh that 1 pro, such as creating lag, creating spam, projecting the illusion of superiority to mask “plebness” and naive people taking what they say with anything but a grain of salt and trying to pass it off as gospel, which then creates more spam mixed in with serious discussion.
I would agree, it was fuel to the fire, but i think people would have known regardless and the outcome be the same.
This whole thing is just a streamer dislike a it’s core, they’re not fussed what right or wrong, only that the streamer be in trouble.
You can’t ban them after they specifically got the go-ahead from Blizz.
But I agree that perhaps Blizz SHOULDN’T have given them the go-ahead. Regardless of whether Esfand’s group deliberately exploited the bug that creates a fresh Raid ID, I think Blizz’s response should have been to tell them not to take advantage of the bug.
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So all I need a bunch of followers and I can openly break the rules too? Not complaining just trying to ensure I understand this so I can start a stream just so I can exploit and keep my crap.
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I don’t even think you need a bunch of followers. Just buy a camera and stream.
But tread carefully. I got infracted for speaking against a streamer before.
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I find it extremely sad that some people have so little in life that they have to aspire to this.
Seriously, ban their asses for a month, strip them of their gear that they looted, reset set their HS to Tanaris and drop them in Moo Glade with no FPs.
Funny thing is even if popular streamers did not do the exploit themselves alot of their followers did and they just laundered all the gold and gear to their favorite streamer. So whether or not the streamer participated in the exploit they still benefit from it. I don’t think I’ve seen a streamer with less than 1k gold tbh.
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As has been stated, Esfan contacted a GM, and the GM approved them going forward. However, the GM at that point, did not know/understand the issue but most likely thought it was some fluke bug.
Now that it is known, I suspect they will go in and remove the gear from the duplicated bosses.
And to be clear… Esfand’s raid only repeated killing each boss once, except Rag as they had not downed it yet when this bug occurred… meaning they only killed ONE extra boss (not including Rag) .
i don’t think Esfand nor any of his raid would be too bent out of shape to have the items removed.
I am more concerned about how people could have exploited this for enchanting mats/righteous orbs… would certainly create a bad scenario for enchanting and raids having full top tier enchants on the ready.
Soda was farming the same boss over and over and over and over and over
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I know what happened because I watched it.
It wasn’t even a GM they contact; it was Lore, who is a CM, which is a big difference. Lore went off to find someone “upstairs” at Blizzard who could give the OK and that is what happened.
I don’t think it’s a big deal. I look at it as Blizzard rewarding them for reporting the bug. Which I think sends a good message to the greater community.
Then that’s even a step higher… so what is your gripe exactly? That Esfand took the time to make contact with Blizzard, informed them of what happened, an was given the OK to clear again?
Entire different scenario than those that ran bosses over and over and over again.
The people you should b mad at is Blizzard for not having at leas a CLOSED beta test of endgame content.
What I don’t understand is… the government hires hackers to help make their systems more secure… why in the world (of warcraft) doesn’t Blizzard hire some guys to try and break the game, find the exploits and fix them before release? This seems like a no brainer for quality control.
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