same! for the dark lady!!
Kyalin has anyone ever told you that you are hyperbolic?
I’m not sure what about the statement that you quoted could be interpreted that way.
It should be interpreted as that way. Do you seriously equate fictional characters with real world dictators? can you not grasp the disconnect between reality and fantasy? and most of all are you so much in your own head believing that you ARE Kyalin the Night Elf that you actually believe Alliance propaganda without removing yourself from the story as a third person player to actually see the bigger picture?
I’m starting to believe that you actually live on Azeroth and you think you really are Kyalin and your people are facing extinction. It’s convincing, but the RP channels would be better suited to what you are trying to do here.
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I’m referring to more of an abstract notion about how the actions of men and women are discussed differently, which makes this objection disjointed.
Although for the record, no, I am not stating that the Kim Regime has burned an entire civilization down, although I’m sure they would like to.
the thing is you had earned my respect in a previous thread, your thread, about how all feelings should be validated when it comes to the story and low and behold here you are invalidating other people’s feelings on a character you don’t like.
That’s a misinterpretation of my position. I believe in choice in MMOs and that MMOs have room to ensure that people can play the character that they want to play without the game coming in from on high and invalidating their choice. That’s a concept that’s deeply entwined with it being a role-playing game, which I think we agree: means that people assume a role that, while they may identify with it, is not them. I am not a Night Elf warden for instance, even if sometimes my audit clients might feel that I act like one.
That’s not the concern I’m raising here. I have seen this character’s actions discussed in a variety of ways, and one of those ways has included some pretty disturbing thinking. I have repeatedly seen people, for instance, state that genocide is just a normal part of war, or parrot the justification that Sylvanas gave to Saurfang, which I recall a Horde poster describing as Azeroth’s version of the fourteen words (and it is). These people in these arenas are not roleplaying, they have adopted and are sharing those views, and I find that trend disturbing. I also find disturbing potential messages that the game may send in the future about this character, such as “genocide is okay if…” - which seems to trade on, and get cover from the popularity of this character.
And I absolutely reserve the right to highlight and criticize that.
Edit: This point may not have been clear - but I am not saying that you can’t like a villainous or dark character. People find these characters compelling even as they recognize what they are. Liking Darth Vader doesn’t mean you agree with him. But if you were to translate that fandom into “Killing kids is good”, then you have more than earned my scrutiny.
I don’t understand how this thread has 150 responses.
How do you see a thread with the word “simp” in the title and not instantly disregard it?
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It didn’t at the time you posted this.
Now it does.
I for one am deeply disappointed that I read exactly 150 replies and didn’t learn a thing about Simple Instant Messaging Protocol.
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I think that’s just how this community is. When I was on the Story Forum Discord, I noticed several conversations about Federal Unemployment Tax. Not one of them got anywhere close to the subject matter.
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At most, I’ve seen some people suggest that genocide is incidental.
The Horde is not some fringe lunatic white supremacist group. This comparison is so bad, on so many levels, I just don’t even know where to start.
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Regarding the most you’ve seen, it sounds like I’ve seen people who are less restrained than the ones you have. Nevertheless, I have seen them, and repeatedly.
You’re right. It’s not. Which is why Blizzard’s decision to include this sort of thing in their video game - that primarily trades on identification with avatars who are themselves partially informed with how the lore portrays certain races - is disturbing to me.
I didn’t put that rhetoric in the franchise though. Robert Brooks did at Blizzard’s direction.
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this reads like you think anyone who enjoys Sylvanas as a character does not have the intellectual aptitude to understand that this game shouldn’t be used as a teachable moment to define morality. Everyone who plays this game has grown up in an environment where they learn right from wrong, if they they didn’t that’s not your problem.
You don’t have to worry that other people are gonna think genocide is okay just because it’s explored or even justified in this fictional setting.
I’d like to just simply put some people just like her because they think she’s neat and complicated and that’s okay. You don’t have to police any one’s morals.
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I am not going to come to your house and stop you if you like Sylvanas. I promise.
I do however reserve the right to offer my opinion on whether I think it’s a good idea for Blizzard to put content like this in their video game, which may be informed by some of the behaviors that I have observed.
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Was Nathanos not received that well as a character by the horde, because he came between the PC, and…their queen? I always kinda appreciated his commentary, I never felt threatened by the mean, Undead computer man.
We’ve had lengthy discussions about whether or not this game, or stories in general, should teach morality.
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To me, Nathanos was like a sometimes-food. His thing in the plaguelands was a fun little gimmick, but I think his bitterness as a constant presence through world quests on top of the war campaign wore thin, especially if a player wasn’t enjoying BFA’s story to begin with.
Though from what I’m told, he actually stops snarking at you if you do the loyalist stuff and he starts backbiting other characters in your presence instead.
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And Blizzard has every right to ignore you and make whatever they want. That’s the beauty of free will.
that’s really creepy you would even jokingly suggest stalking someone over a fictional character.
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I always thought he was great. My guild, and I always kind of had a go at anyone who was actually offended by what he was saying. There’s something kind of weird about taking what a fictional character is saying to you as personal. I kinda get it as flavor, but actually ever even eyerolling at him was just…not happening with me atleast.
I bet these people didn’t even like Usha’s input.
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