Honestly as long as bliz promise in writing to make zero balance or tuning decisions based on the experiences of group finder raids I’ll be glad to see them implemented.
But I whole heartedly believe the people that are clamouring for them will turn them into steaming dumpster fire within a week, or bliz will cave and nerf them into the dirt.
I’ll all for more que’d content, personally I believe que’d content helps people with anxiety. Less pressure and not requiring to interact as much pre-raid.
I’m with you on this completely and have been asking for the same thing for YEARS.
What?
Is the idea that a group of people enjoy playing with eachother / achieving goals together really that alien?
The people doing LFR do not even read the dungeon journal let alone external sites.
Hard disagree.
Exactly so. Doing organised raiding with my guild has been one of the most fun experiences of my WoW gaming life. Its one of the last bastions of social interaction in a dedicated level of gaming.
On the other hand, doing LFR is frequently a total schemozzle. And the idea of trying to transfer that State of Schemozzle onto Normal and Heroic makes my teeth ache. If you think people could manage those higher levels in a random group of people with no preplanning or organisation, where suggestions are ignored, advice is ignored, you are kicked if you try to offer either…
No. Never a good idea before, and not now.
Wildstar kinda operated around : content exists, enable matchmaking.
Plenty of failures in matchmade content as a result.
Would be interesting to see if any groups can finish were it possible. Would people filter themselves out so that group quality improves and bosses die? Would it be never-ending wipes because there’s someone new that doesn’t understand mechanics?
I was able to do bear runs via group finder in cataclysm.
People are already busy complaining about delves at +8. The forums will no doubt be ablaze with complaints about bosses.
Means nothing to me and we are not asking you to change how you want to game and carry on.
I am suggesting to put normal on LFR with a que system.
Most here made it look like brood cannot be completed without pulling your hair. We did it on normal with zero communication and zero wipes.
This is not a contest where we head butt each other to prove a point.
I think asking for Normal to be on LFR just so we don’t have to deal with guild leaders who will hold us hostage so we do content is a fair ask.
Enforce an ilevel requirement.
Each player needs to kill a boss few times before progressing. Personally I don’t want this. If I am killing a boss for 3 weeks in a row to progress into next wing.
Then I would ask Heroic to be on LFR as well. 1 extra boss mechanic is not going to kill me and I will be seasoned with all the mechanics in the back of my head.
We just need to enforce repetition and ilevel for smooth progression.
People will hit a brick wall, and demand nerfs, like they are with delves.
woops, wrong thread
I respect your stance here and I can understand why folks want something like this.
That said, I think it would have some consequences that I’m not certain everyone would want.
Take the current difficulty built specifically for matchmaking - the “Looking for Raid” difficulty.
Until those queues get populated by a large portion of folks who overgear the encounters, it’s a messy affair at best. The determination buff’s existence tells us Blizzard’s metrics show trends toward failures. Not terribly hard to recognize in my experience - people tend to just try treating every encounter like an older generation world boss with very little in the way of mechanics or consequences for failing them.
Imagine what would probably be in the pipeline if normal AND heroic were matchmade content. Now, would the determination buff still exist? If so, to what extent? When does that start to cause friction with groups organized using a guild or the group organizing tool.
Feels like lately, Blizzard has been monitoring such friction and adjusting. I don’t have an ear inside the design team, so I can’t say with certainty that they are doing something as a direct result of friction or vocal feedback on a system, but I think it’s possible when we see some changes, like movement of higher tier crests substantially on the mythic plus ladder. Doesn’t mean it was done for that reason - might have just been a change owing to the difficulty consolidation, but not sure why they wouldn’t have done it in Dragonflight as well.
Further, I think we would then see a necessary change to encounter design, hotfix/patch adjustment scope, and difficulty if those higher difficulties became matchmade content. The fact remains that any sort of matchmade play just isn’t as innately organized as something done manually in a guild or even via the bulletin board, so would Blizzard just leave those queues to potentially flop endlessly and thus have low populations, making it a debt feature they have to maintain for little engagement? I’m not sure, but that’s my primary worry - there is a reason right now that Blizzard has continued to name the matchmade raids as their own difficulty - meaning it is designed and tuned around a disorganized (and yes, lower item level) group.
I don’t see them forcing voice chat, there’s no guarantee everyone has boss mods or even looked at anything from the dungeon journal to a video or website to learn the encounter - how much churn will groups tolerate as people cycle in and out after being vote kicked for not having a solitary clue, and how long will players who do these things keep doing them via this queue when they lose rolls to people they feel somewhat slighted by as they either died or failed mechanical requirements several times? I feel like those players, core to making sure a matchmade game mode survives, will just go back to the bulletin board.
This is just my concern. Again, I do not disagree that matchmade content is more or less “the future” as most games these days (mostly pvp games though) deploy a matchmaker. I think for what you are looking at with heroic and normal raids, heroic at least is probably better off sitting out the matchmaker and perhaps normal would be adjusted for it, but I’m not certain. I just think in light of some of these issues, we would see a queue that both creates some issues (fundamental changes to normal and/or heroic encounter design and difficulty; a difficult queue to keep healthy) and would perhaps muddy the landscape a bit, especially for a newer player who has no idea what is the difference between all of these different means by which you can engage with the raids. Last, I do think it would be hard to keep these queues healthy.
Say you can’t get into a raiding guild, without saying you can’t get into a raiding guild.
Yes, 15 years ago. I would pay more attention to getting into a raiding guild.
Now with life and family, no one can be asked to impress a Guild leader other than someone who does not yet have to worry about taxes and the 9 to 5 life.
So we think pugging does that just fine. Now we just need to make it accessible and automate everything that a PUG does into a que system.
Lol, and the people you get into a group with will be failing, a lot.
Isn’t the OP the same person that was advocating to make it more difficult to kick problem players out of queued content?
Luuba was struggling with delves so moved to raids. Also got angry about people picking flowers getting more gear then them? (I guess delves are picking flowers now) I suspect they want a tool that puts people together because finding a group for them is difficult (likely do to gear level or achievements cause they can’t do delves)
I was gonna say this.
You have to pass an Ilvl check then clear LFR.
Then to get into Normal you must pass a higher Ilvl check and then once you clear normal you go through an even higher gear check before you can queue up for heroic.
And there is a week lockout after each clear so you can’t just AH or craft your way to victory all in a weekend.
3 deaths, wipe or not an it’s an autokick by the system.
Good luck making any progress.
At first yeah, but over time the people who are chronically being removed will stop queueing up and it will handle itself.