So the only chance you have of killing stuff is because of people on bored alts.
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Ilvl doesnt mean anything nor will it fix the issues that people brought forth
You have any better ideas?
Yeah.
Open group finder
Press join
Raid
Sure if you want your heroic run auto filled with a bunch of 575 geared, never even seen the raid before, in your group.
lol? Vet people.
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Hey you just described the exact system youre trying to advocate for
Great thing about group finder is you can accept/decline people.
Your system automatically groups a bunch of 575s who have never stepped foot into a raid.
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That in no way affects how well anyone plays.
It was a bit like the theory of the Proving Grounds back in the day: put in to form a barrier so that a player had to prove they knew how to play their class before they could do Heroic dungeons. It was an abject failure and never put in the game again. All it proved was that that someone was good at doing Proving Grounds, it in no way meant they could or would carry that forward into the frequently volatile and unpredictable playstyle of a random group dungeon.
Your idea would not work. That is my opinion, Iâll stick with it and leave you to yours.
I think it was more such that people who CANNOT do proving grounds found themselves exiled from heroic groups. The outcry caused Blizz to change.
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It was that too, it worked badly in both the positive and the negative.
Can do it, but still fail at being able to play well with others.
Canât do due to its style of mechanics or whatever, but perfectly able to do Heroics.
Third option.
Cant do it and couldnt do dungeons either.
These people cried the loudest
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I will just do LFR, Delves and focus on crafting and gathering mats to sell. Drama of raiding never seems to be worth it.
If your idea actually happened, everybody would just die a lot because too many people would just use it as a tool to get carried. And so many people would use it to get carried but not enough skilled players in there to carry them- and everybody would just keep wiping and then theyâd leave. Doesnât sound too great does it? I mean some wipes is to be expected while learning no matter what type of player youâre at, but Iâm pretty sure that it would hit a wall and everybody would just leave and not try anymore.
They would have to cheapen the content but LFR already exists for that purpose, and so what would be the point. I think itâs a much more fair thing to ask them to stop giving Mythic raiders extra cut scenes and story lines after they said they wouldnât do that any more. ((Idk if they truly or stopped or not - but I would say, that was unfair to casuals esp. when the LFR/storymode raids are supposed to be for people who want to see the story)) All MSQ content should be available to the lowest skilled players.
Exactly this.
This is exactly what the raid leaders are doing. nothing else. They are checking for ilevel and then bringin.
Not like we have World first raider doing quality check.
Pretty simple - have an ilevel - kill a boss week after week and then move into progression.
There is only 1 extra move in Heroic that is different from Normal.
People in the thread made it sound like Normal needs skill. Like no, we only needed a wowhead raidcheat sheet and do what was asked for your role.
The game is not the same game it was 15 years ago. No one has time to sit in raid for 8 hours.
this is exactly my issue as well.
For instance, i was watching this raid leader in 567 pcs. Ask for Normal achieve for heroic entrance all because he killed it on his alt.
What exactly qualifies him into the raid ?
The boss looks at him, he will die at 567 ilevel. Only because he had experience.
It was imbalanced. I need to stay in my lane as a Prot warrior.
You are a blood dk⌠All i need is my T8 which is done.
Iâm all for accessibility, but not this. If you did this then youâd get people who havent a clue what their class even does showing up to the raid and hardwiping all of us and not giving us determination stacks. Hard pass. Terrible idea
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I like how you gloss over the entire part of competency. You can have an ilvl requirement all that you want, but there are a LOT of players that think that the game should be handed to them on a silver platter and not learn the fights or do any of the research to brtter their toons. They just slap on a piece of gear for the number and push keys and hope that is good enough, and itâs simply just not. In an automated queue system, youâd habe to do a pull, see the people not do8ng dps at all, kick them, have the system requeue and refind people, pull, and contonuously weed out the bad players over and over and over and you donât get to pick who gets to be in it by checking for achievements and everytjing else. This system would and should not EVER have Determination stacks either because it diminishes the difficulty. If you want the better gear and to experience the content, you have to play the game, bar none. It is an MMO and a social game and if you as a human do not have the ability to play it at that level, then you just do not get to change the entire game to suit your specific way to play because you donât want to play it the way it always has been.
This idea of automating groups has killed all forms of social interaction outside of trade chat memes and guild chat, general chat is normally dead, instance groups are dead as heck and no one speaks other than to be a jerk and auto kick people. If this were to happen, I guarantee a difficulty diminish would happen qnd any player with a competent brain who has actually tried the content will eventually grasp it and do it with ease, making it automated just streamlines you into pure suffering because youâll have to repeatedly replace poor players and the more controlled groups will be able to mix and match all they want. Also, if you did get this automated and it did make the content easier, you should not get the same level gear as anyone else. It should be one tier lower. Lfr should be heroic dungeon level at that point, normal wpuld be LFR tier and Heroic automated would be Normal gear and if you wanted actual Heroic gear youâd have to do M+ or find a group.
You can literally get heroic raid level gear solo now.
In 16 weeks and decent RNG t
The genie isnât going back into the bottle
Iâm an advocate that even if someone is judging you, they could still implement a queue system where the judgment is a series of choices that allow for a queue.
I am a firm believer that normal raids and m0 are obviously queueable with a simple ilvl check.
I can see the point that there needs to be some form of decisionmaking with failable content⌠but those decisions are vapid and amount to âneed buffs, need hero, need certain classes for gear tradeâ thatâs it besides the precursory needing ilvl etc.
i personally will never join a group that doesnât have an ilvl barrier to entry. not interested in carrying
I knew she was a troll. Hence I did not reply.
We just need to bring good points to the table.
The game is easy now. Meaning it includes players of all kinds, low skill - high skill. Everybody is included and you can tell the game is designed that.
There is a very clear difference in the first 4 bosses compared to last 4 bosses.
The game is giving you subtle hints. Finishing and get enough gear from the first 4 bosses and come back in few weeks.
Why canât we have this exact system automated ?
Why do I need someone else to judge me on my level ?
The game can do this.
Pugged normal 8/8 this weekend on 3 different characters using the LFG tool.
you are lazy, entitled, and coping instead of putting in the effort, gearing, and finding a group.
We absolutely do not need LFR for normal or heroic.
Again, you are lazy. Stop crying.
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Why was it a failure? Itâs not going to get 100% of the players who shouldnât be engaging the content, but if it filtered out at least 1 or made them better, it was a success.
The only people whoâd be complaining are those who couldnât do it
Delves were advertised as solo endgame content, but are in reality group content with the option to solo.
There is no tuning or balance in Delves for casuals that play solo, some classes go in and don´t have an intercept or a very long CD on it and wipe, as the game believes 4 others would be there to do the job.
Don´t mistake the complains about Delves with difficult content, it´s the group delve balance that people complain about.
So you are fine with paying money for content you will never have access to, because it´s not available in LFR and LFD?
That is your choice, but I am sure others disagree with that.
And why do you want to dumd down content? If you would have experience normal raids, then you would realize that there is no challange there whatsoever. Todays normal raid difficulty is about there where ZG was back in the days.
Heroic is around AQ 20 difficulty and that was pugged in Vanilla. 