It’s LFR, nobody is asking for anything lmao
If you’re not talking about LFR, it doesn’t apply. This is an LFR issue.
With randoms.
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This is not an LFR issue. It’s not an issue at all, in fact, other than you feeling entitled to loot you didn’t win.
Also, you’re whining about LFR? Just go run… Legitimately anything and you’ll get better than veteran drops. You get champion drops from running 5 timewalking dungeons.
This is blatantly not true.
Personal Loot DID drop more loot than Master Loot (which in terms of loot drops would be the same as Group Loot today).
This was likely to help compensate for the fact that you can’t distribute personal loot in the most efficient way possible.
I will also say that I’ve seen several posts across the internet claiming Personal Loot had some form of bad luck protection built in, but given that I can’t find a more trustworthy source than random comments, I’m going to run on the assumption that they were confusing Personal Loot and Bonus Rolls (which DID have BLP). But if that’s wrong and PL had some form of BLP, that’s an even bigger reason to say it’s not equal to Group Loot.
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Bring. Back. Personal. Loot.
Could care less about whatever else you’re saying.
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The boss still dropped a fixed number of items. So if you get an item, that means someone else didn’t.
But realistically, on Silken Court, under PL that tank trinket would have been a neck, and nobody would have cared.
It was basically an auto-roll that gave people gear they spec’d for.
I’d rather have that than the nightmare rolling scenario we’ve got. (And a useless transmog roll choice.)
Need/Greed works great in 5-mans, it sucks butt in raids.
It was an auto need roll, for their loot spec, that you didn’t have the option to do anything except need.
Personal loot was dropping 1/5 consistently in SL, Group loot drops 1/5 consistently. That might’ve been true of the switch in Legion, but it is certainly not true now.
No.
Prove it, you can’t.
Raids are 1/5. They were 1/5 in DF, 1/5 in SL with PL.
No proof, pass.
Disregarded.
Just going off those link titles, why are we comparing bfa loot amounts in a conversation about the current GL? Iirc loot was reduced in SL (maybe early DF?) and that same # of items per raid member carried into the current GL system.
Eh, fair enough. I mostly skipped Shadowlands Raiding (barring like 2 months in 9.1).
I was still with my regular decade-old raid team in BfA (which is what that WoWhead post was referring to, coming from the end of Legion).
That said, I think even minor changes to Personal Loot over time make it harder to argue about “Personal Loot vs Group Loot”. Because even if SL Personal Loot was normalized, Legion Personal Loot wasn’t. So if SL Personal Loot isn’t good enough, run with Legion’s version of Personal Loot. We don’t have to automatically run with the worst version of the system.
That, and I don’t really see the issue with using Personal Loot for queued content and Having it as an optional loot style in premade content.
Even if we run mathematically equal versions of PL vs GL, the social side of GL is AWFUL in a pug environment. People actively rolling need just to vendor or trade it for something they actually want later. Stuff they will never consider equipping or even transmogging. And then there’s full stacks of people coming in to roll on key items (ala Spymaster this tier) to trade to 1 person in their group.
Even if them rolling doesn’t make the odds less favorable than PL, those interactions, which are not uncommon, make it a more frustrating system to deal with than losing the RNG Roll to the system - which is effectively what Personal Loot turned things into.
It’s the more appropriate format for random groups, and frankly remains appropriate for most pug groups in premade group finder - though I understand it’d likely be most popular to just leave it on Group Loot. And that’s fine, but Personal Loot should have remained an option.
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Did they not remove personal loot for shadowlands? because I could swear thats when we went back to group loot again.
I have experienced all of this, it’s why I want PL back so hard.
Nobody wants entrepreneurs in their LFR.
We actually had a guy get vote-kicked after needing and attempting to sell an item back to the whole raid, so I’ve got some faith in humanity.
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No
PL loot went away in raids during I believe the DF prepatch, which was the tail end of SL season 4. The raids are still using Group Loot because they were current at the time, but most/all of the expansion had personal loot.
Easier to do with PL. You don’t even have to click need every boss.
Easier to manipulate with stacks and funnels with PL.
Personal feelings issue. Either loss is to the roll RNG. Perceiving it as being personally against you isn’t a system problem.
The one that actually gives you better chances with loot you’ll need is always better, and that’s GL with its rolling restrictions and trade freedom.
As an LFR hero these days, id be all for PL if it actually resulted in more items I need, but that’s just not the case.
Dragonflight Pre-patch
How about we just accept that we lost the roll when we lost the roll and that if we want better loot distribution we can join a guild that does so?
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