That tends to happen when the CoC isn’t being broken.
It has been broken, it’s spam
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He’s made the same thread with a slightly different title for 2 weeks straight almost daily, directly violates spam for sure, and most likely trolling as well because he’s deliberately doing it.
Go read the CoC.
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Nope, this is yes a conversation about covenants. But it’s not the same conversation topic. There is a lot to talk about covenants. This is in regards to the Skill element quote from Ion.
Just bump all of them to the front and report them all for spam as you do it
It’s the same body as every single other post, go and read them
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Pretending as the majority is against it because Preach keeps saying “Everyone hates it, not just the 1%” is again pretty disingenuous attempt to push for better optics.
If you ve seen threads in GD there’s a lot of people if not more who are completely against making covenants into talents or just changing the current covenant system, in other words you are nowhere near “everyone hates the system” like your narrative tries to push.
True but is it I that did it or the people who tried to argue with me needing me to repeat that point? I would love if all my threads stayed at the main argument but we both know threads often get derailed to unrelated stuff, the point is many just read the OP and reply and dont bother about reading like 40 posts of arguments between which is why I dont mind going off argument at times.
Firstly it destroys the narrative the wannabe elitists that want to push that “Everyone hates covenants and not just the 1%” Preach for example keeps pushing that narrative while you also see similar people making threads about it, yet you dont see many threads defending covenants because it is weird in a sense to make a thread to defend something that isnt flawed in your eyes.
Yet the resistance to covenants becoming talents is clear by the amount of people who are replying with messages against covenant flexibility in the threads tryhards make.
You have to understand that I personally know many people I argue against are hopeless and will never change because their ego is in the line, without epeen contests they wouldnt be able to use WoW to leech self worth and that would hurt severely because depending on video game achievements for your self worth is incredibly unhealthy and unstable.
SO why do I argue with them? For the audience, often times you are trying to convince people who are reading the arguments and are neutral, not the tryhard whose ego depends on flexibility.
I’m about to go in game and bring all his forum activity up with his GM, given it’s supposed to be a laid back chill mythic guild I wonder what he’ll think of the toxicity being spouted here.
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I have, I have been in most of them because It’s a topic I’m interested in. Look, I understand if you disagree with the stand point which makes it hard to notice the subtle but important differences in the threads. Yet it’s not spam. If it was trust me they would do something about it. I personally got nailed just for joking about beta. They are not asleep at the wheel.
My personal opinion is: if a person is playing a game that includes the computer playing for them the way auto attack does in WoW they can’t claim they are achieving anything on their own merit. And I won’t even get into addons.
They do that because they find it fun
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Lols okay. That’s just adorable mobas have auto attacks.
Also the main reason I play wow is pve content is a puzzle which can be solved you can’t really solve pvp combat which is fin in it’s own way but it doesn’t scratch that puzzle solving itch like raids do.
You’re the one that starts these threads, and even in this very thread itself your original post - before anyone else posted - immediately jumped into criticizing top-end players by suggesting they aren’t actually that skilled. It wasn’t even the second or third sentence, it was the very first sentence where you suggested that.
If someone tries to derail your post, you don’t need to let it get derailed by going further into criticizing people and being antagonizing, you can stay on-topic and make concise, logical and non-confrontative posts that people will probably take a lot better, and you won’t have people getting as upset or annoyed, and you won’t have situations like you and I’s conversation right now where you have to focus on someone talking to you about how you’re being antagonizing.
But the way you’re arguing with those people is incredibly confrontative and often times plain rude, with little to no conciseness. The overwhelming majority of posts in this thread are moreso questioning why you keep being like this. The way you’re going at these people doesn’t make people think you’re right; In fact, there’s little people can think you’re right about when your posts tend to be criticism and rudeness instead of information and non-confrontative logic. The most prevailing thing people will think about your argument is that you’re purposefully trying to upset people.
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All of the ones where you tell us how super-amazing the current covenant system is and how we should stop trying to improve ourselves.
You’re not making multiple arguments though. It’s the exact same argument with a slightly different coat of paint.
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Well yeah that was a core part of the argument made, that WoW is factually not a high skillcap game like fps, rts, mobas therefore people who care about skill should be in games where skill controls the result fully.
Not doing that clearly implies something about these people
But that is also helpful for me, because if someone gets upsets I know they arent worth my time, so I often reply to them and explain a few things, and if they remain upset I simply put them on ignore because they are hopeless.
I am not here to babysit people and teach them complicated subject when they themselves dont want to learn, example, a transphobe wont suddenly accept trans people because someone spoke nice to them because their internal core beliefs would have to change, you never change such core beliefs by arguing on the internet, you only do that by spending months or more of therapy and slowly nudging them to the right direction.
Therefore again, this isnt about them, it is about the audience.
I feel you have that false idea that if you speak nice and friendly you will succeed in changing people’s minds, in reality, you are often wasting your time and going into circular arguments which is why I give a few chances of people, if they fail I simply ignore and move on.
WoW factually is a high skill cap game, otherwise Mythic raiding wouldn’t even exist.
Being deliberately hateful and then ignoring those who are annoyed by your antics is not a good debate skill.
You, however, do appear to be here solely to be irritating and condescending towards anyone who doesn’t blindly disagree with your toxic agenda.
If you can’t win an argument while speaking nicely, then you don’t have an argument worth defending.
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As long as my dps isn’t going to be a hinderance to a group IDK if I’m top or not, I’d just rather not be responsible for missing that mark.
Except it didn’t need to be said at all, and can only serve to upset people. You didn’t need to mention that at all to try and make the point you were trying to make, but you said it nonetheless.
It’s not helpful for you to appear rude and needlessly confrontative. Being like that only makes others see you as a rude aggressor or troll, and it turns people away from a point that, in some cases, they might’ve agreed with had you been more non-confrontative and concise. Being aggressive and rude won’t work the way you think it will.
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Yeah sadly people dont seem to understand that, there’s a big difference between viable and optimal, if you are viable then you are doing good enough for the content you are doing, optimal isnt required.