It isn’t flawed but I can tell there is no convincing you. Classic is vanilla no matter how much you want it not to be. Just because it isn’t a 100% vanilla server because we are not using the 1.12 client, having layering, etc does not disqualify it from what Blizzard is trying to keep intact from what they had in 2006. Blizzard have said this on recorded video and people still try to make it out to be something else other than vanilla for whatever reason.
He means it to where it deviates from what vanilla is originally. I highly doubt he would make this statement to be vague in anyway as well but people want to take it as vague as possible to argue there own insignificant point. The changes were implemented because some had to be and some made sense in some areas of the game.
They are okay when it makes sense. Where they are needed to make the game be compatible, not glitchy, non exploitable, keeping the core gameplay intact, highly customizable through addons, the list goes on with these legitimate reasons. There are so many reasons for changes where they make sense. So this is already not a crazy concept where they apply. You’re preaching to the choir here.
It really isn’t to rain on anyone’s parade as much as people love to do that. Some people even take it personal. Discourse is fine especially when it is about retail. However, the thing about Classic is it’s suppose to be a museum piece. A place where players of old and new can come play the game how it was in 2006. Which means not everything you see in retail is there. There was no dual spec, there was no barbershops, there was no transmog, there was no LFD or LFR. This is what a lot of newer players are not understanding. They think this is just like retail and think they can request some feature that is in retail and try to talk about it in the classic forums without realizing this game is suppose to be exactly how it was back then in 2006. You don’t take any game that is the first game of the genre and try to make it like the 3rd game.
It’s a good thing Blizzard is on our side on this.
The argument from the person I was quoting is that no changes are allowed or all of them must me. I’m asserting that there have been changes.
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter, each “change” can be looked at and discussed individually, if only as a creative exercise. This is an ok thing to do, and it doesn’t mean said change must be implemented, nor does it mean that all of them must be. This is my sole point.
We didn’t need the ability to trade loot while in a raid, but we got it. I’m glad we got it, but this is a great example of a relatively inconsequential change that deviated from true vanilla.
I understand that. It’s fine to discuss things but I would hope that we can get more to understanding with one another on why people are against it. Some want to take it as “they just dont like it because of X reason” but sometimes its more to it than that. The real reasons are legitimate to the vanilla crowd and are usually the most vocal. There is real concern no matter how small of a change there is.
True, It made sense. The main why this was implemented was because the mistake of miss looting from the master looter. Back then there were so many tickets involving the Blizzard GMs getting involved to loot the item over to the correct player. This alleviates that issue entirely.
I’m not trying to I’m sorry if it seems that way. I felt strongly to comment to you as to hopefully understand your view and at the same time give you some insight or some kind of other opinions on why people feel so strongly against changes. It isn’t that we are reluctant to them but rather to keep what is there to be as authentic as possible. It isn’t to condemn or to discredit as many people have done already. People can be very rude but I try to be decent about it and I hope an understanding was achieved no matter how little. I agree, technically, classic will never be 100% vanilla but at 99% I’ll take what I can get even if it isn’t exact. Have a good evening/night
Agreed, but this is what I mean in that this is not pure Vanilla. This is a change that was put in because it made sense to do so. There are other changes that could be put in because it makes sense to do so.
Discussing whether or not a change makes sense is a great thing to do! Dismissing a change simply because it is a change is, well, downright silly.
I am enjoying what we have. Would I like a few QoL changes? Absolutely. Am I going to up and quit because we don’t get them? Naaah.
You’ve gotta admit though, a month in, there are certainly some things that would be really nice to have at this point. I mean, I’m typing this to you while sitting in a group waiting to find a tank… and I’ve been doing this for the last 20 minutes. I’ve exhausted my friends list and all my party member’s friends list. This is classic, but it can also be… tiresome
I agree, me personally, the only changes I am against are the ones that are noticeable ones. Something that is a feature of another expansion or something that changes how something works currently in Classic (ex. like the automated wow classic dungeon finder addon. I’m perfectly ok with how it works currently).
Something to this regard is where I’m coming from.
I always had great luck within the guild I am currently in as we run everything together and are very helpful. I’m guessing you have exhausted that as well? Tanks have been having it rough with players being extremely condemning on how they tank. Many have went to either just tanking for their own guilds or charging players. Hope you get one soon. I wish players would realize that because there is no auto-queue like in retail you cant just treat Tanks like they are a dime a dozen anymore. They are locked to the very server you are on. Good luck though and hope you get the drops you need.
I do find a lot of us do agree on a lot more than what we think. And it’s nice to see a lot of us coming together.
I just think that a lot of us (generally speaking) assume a lot, about the other person’s intentions, so we’re (generally speaking) quick to lash out or attack each other, quickly. Without taking a few steps back and going “well, wait a minute”.
I understand the Classic+ Community, the TBC Community, the Wrath Community, etc. I do. I just don’t want those communities hijacking Classic. That’s all I’m saying. If Blizz can figure out, just like they did with Classic, to implement separate Servers to appease those crowds, I’m all for it.
What I’m not for is simply hijacking Classic with it. That’s all I’m saying.
I think it’s easy to hate on future expansions, especially for those folks who think they hate retail as a blanket statement. I think it’s worth looking at the things that retail has independently, and objectively. While there are certainly a lot of undesirable things, there’s also a lot of great things. If there was a feature of a future expansion that, unmodified or otherwise, would make a great fit for classic, I would be hard pressed to argue against it. So long as it doesn’t take away from the things that make classic fun (for me), of course.
For the most part, I’m fine, I’m just getting tired of LFG. I knew this would happen. It happened 15 years ago. For the most part, I’m with you… I don’t want a fully automated dungeon finder because I think auto grouping and porting to the dungeon definitely takes away from what I like about classic. Something like how I build groups for M+ would work out nicely though. I’d like to just be able to visually list a group and then chill instead of having to constantly spam a channel. I’m a visual person though I’m also not going to quit for lack of it, but there’s definitely value there.
I’m a big fan of discussion. Opposing viewpoints are great, but we all have to make an effort to see other sides. Just because we don’t like something doesn’t mean it’s invalid. It also doesn’t mean we have to just accept that it can happen.
Yeah, when I say “#nochanges”, I mean, let’s keep Classic as Vanilla, as possible. While I understand it’s not 100%, I just don’t want that to be used as an excuse to continue dragging Classic through the mud.
Can we all agree to stop hijacking Classic? And perhaps ask for a Classic+ server?
I’m all for this. If there was any one thing I could pick for Classic it would be for Blizzard to release more content that played like Classic. Specifically, in the dungeon format.
A lot of people might not have actually played during Vanilla, but I did. I remember that you either raid, or you roll alts. There are no exceptions. This go around, I don’t think I can commit to a classic raid schedule, at least not at the current moment, but I do love me some dungeons.
We’ve got DM coming out soon, and that’s great, but that will be it for 5-man content. I would love more stuff to do (many months down the road) for non-raiders. I don’t even need more gear, just more content. I understand this is unlikely, just saying it would be nice. If this needed to be on another server, so be it! Classic dungeons play in a much more engaging fashion for me than retail dungeons. I’ll stick to retail for raids because I think the mechanics and environments are amazingly done, but classic has retail beat hands down for dungeon immersion
I think you will find that, for those entertaining the ideas of enhancements to classic, they don’t really care if it’s a pure server or another.
Obviously. It’s precisely why I used the “#nochanges” slogan 'cause I care for the purity of the Server. If people want all this fancy stuff, they obviously don’t want Classic. Not saying it’s a bad thing, but I want Classic, and I wish all these requests for Changes in Classic would stop, and players can just ask for separate servers or something instead of trying to hijack Classic.
This is why we can’t have nice things. Because you lot are never satisfied. People whinged and moaned for YEARS to get classic. Now we have classic and the whinging and moaning is going on more than ever.
What I mean is, you can probably focus more on the content of the change than what server said change would be on. Because most people wanting classic+ don’t care if it’s same servers or not ones, and you do care, a reasonable compromise would suggest new servers. It’s almost a non-issue… at least, it seems that way to me.
Regarding purity of classic… I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I think that totally makes sense right now, especially if you’re raiding. There’s a lot of content ahead of you so making any kind of change, content wise, isn’t really necessary. For the average person, BWL will be more difficult than MC. AQ40 will be more difficult still, and Naxx will provide even more challenge. That’s enough content.
But, as it did in Vanilla, it’ll run out. So I think at that point, perhaps “purity” might matter less to you… provided you’re still playing I suppose.
I’m not interested in conversing about changes. I just want pro-changers to stop trying to piggy back on Classic. Very simple, really. 'Cause majority of these pro-changes thread aren’t talking about separate servers. They’re talking about changing Classic, with no regard to the intent behind Classic.
IDC if people get “burnt out” with Classic. That’s still not a reason to advocate for all these changes. I plan to play Classic, no matter how popular nor unpopular it is. I suggest those who want changes should include “separate servers” instead of saying things like “add this to Classic, please!” Hence the need for my Thread. My answer to that is and will always be NO!
Then why are you even engaging in these threads? If the only thing you have to say is “No” then you’re not really contributing… anything. Through our conversation here, I feel you actually have more to offer than this, so such as the topic of alternative servers. This is a discussion point and provides meaning to any conversation happening. Just saying “no” is pointless. You have no authority to shut down discussion in a discussion forum. At best you are ignored, at worst you are flagged for trolling. I realize you may feel the anonymity of the internet grants you the privilege to act in almost any way you wish without consequence, but perhaps try the alternative?
Sure it is, why not? Just because you don’t like it? I feel we’ve already agreed that leaving ultimately, leaving a server that is pure classic with no changes is great, but a year or two on adding things to classic for those who want them only makes sense. Classic is great, I’m enjoying it. Should Blizzard decide to do more with it, that’s great too.
If you don’t like it, don’t participate. That’s the great thing about an opt-in I guess. It also affords you the opportunity to change your mind, should you later decide you wish to do so. Your response is common to the no change crowd. I wonder how many of you folks actually played Vanilla, or how many have played any length of time (2+ years) on a private server. Were you a raider or a non-raider? Did you experience the casual player content drought that was leading to Vanilla’s decline? If you were a raider, were you even aware of it?
These are all rhetorical, I don’t need answers to these questions. I’m just giving you insight into my own way of thinking.
These people are always trying to come into classic and change what it is originally. They think it’s just like retail and can morph it anyway they want. Like it’s a new product. There is no discussion to be had about any kind of additions to the game or changing the game how they want. These people just don’t like not having it easy and want to bring whatever they are use to back into an old game. Retail is meant for changes but not classic as it is meant reflect on the past not the present. I be damned if I let something like achievements or something that makes the game easier into classic. #nochanges.
I just told you why. Stop piggy backing off of Classic. Stop hijacking Classic. Stop destroying the point of Classic. I don’t say anything in regards to those who want extra servers.
Only those that want to add all this nonsense to Classic because it’s not the point of Classic. It’s very simple. And none of you “pro-changers” have “authority”, either, in what should and shouldn’t be in the Game.
No, it doesn’t. It defeats the purpose and the point of Classic. I do old content, all the time. I’m a casual, solo, non-raider and RPer. Just because you’re bored with it, doesn’t mean we have to, all of sudden, change Classic, in order for you to stay. That’s ridiculous! Take a break! A long one and leave Classic, alone!
And if you don’t like the Classic, why don’t you leave? Why are your needs more important than mine? That doesn’t make any sense. No changes to Classic, ever. Ask for different Servers, please, thanks.
@Flocket - It’s funny really. I’m going to try my hardest not the be offensive but your logic is flawed. We get it, trust me we do. #NoChanges is cute. Small things like adding barbers and what not wouldn’t break the game. Big changes like the way PvP gear is earned is a must. If you haven’t already read Blizzards development map they already insinuated that gear was going to be rewarded differently. This is a good thing. You know people like you are repulsive. The odds that you even played vanilla are almost zero. If you did then you know how much of a no life grind it takes to get PvP gear.
Question: What server did you play classic on? How far into raiding did you get? The loudest voices have no idea what the F they are talking about.
We’re back at square one, again. Come back to me, when you’ve read the thread.
Also, if you’re not trying to be “offensive”, you wouldn’t have called me repulsive or state things “I have no idea what I’m talking about”. Let’s lay off the insults and actually have a dialogue.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Many of us have played for years ever since vanilla. Any kind of changes no matter how small affect the social dynamics of the game. It makes people that come from private servers to classic see those differences and weigh in on whether they will stay or leave. If Classic does not remain authentic then you already lost those very players that wanted a legal way to play the original World of Warcraft. You are against us playing the game this way and rather us play on private servers again just so you all can get your little changes in to make your lives better. Hell no.
Listen here champ. I’ll be very specific. I played on Firetree Alliance. Dwarf Hunter I was in the second best guild on the alliance and one of the most geared hunters on the server. I got 8 bosses into Naxx. (Firetree People here let’s talk) Also private servers were NEVER anywhere close to original classic.
DO you know what it takes to get the rewards for Rank 14? Not the title but the gear? I doubt it. Let me break it down for you.
You have to be rank 1 honor EARNED for three weeks in a row, if for what ever reason you get out earned in honor. You gotta start the three weeks over. What did Unreal do? He account shared. Was unemployed and did nothing but play wow non-stop. When BG’s wern’t popping because queues were taking for ever he would gank lowbies around the world.
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I know EXACTLY what I’m talking about. What server did you play on during Classic? Did you PvP? How far did you get into raiding. All I see is a puppy dog runnin’ his mouth. #SomeChangesIts2019BTW_WeHaveJobsNChet
