#NOCHANGES 🐒 , Arguments flawed and debunked (SERIOUS)

I’m fine with it being alongside the expansions, but the chances of Blizzard doing both are pretty much none, just doesn’t make too much sense financially unless they first try classic+ and it fails.

If we get TBC or WotLK then Blizzard would most likely make an eventual classic+ be based off one of those versions instead of vanilla.

I think a lot of people hate the path WoW went and see this as a chance at a fresh start keeping with the RPG elements of Classic and not being diluted by the stuff and fluff that followed.

Edit: to some this is like a chance at WoW 2.
I’ve personally never like much of the stuff that followed Classic so I agree we shouldn’t be holding our breath. Also, I don’t trust Blizz to make anything I’d want in a Classic+ even though I have expressed what it is.

Why? When BC came out in 2007, did Blizzard reset everyone’s level to 1? No, they allow you to continue from your vanilla levelled Lv60.

Separte servers with copying allows players to experience going from 1-60 on vanilla and 60-70 on BC - or if they so wish, they can level from 1-70 on BC with BC talents and QoL changes.

I would like to see Classic as an alternate time line where community and world killing features don’t happen. Like flying mounts, LFG, LFR, reputation grinds (unless for cosmetic), homogenized classes, and daily/emissary quests to name a few.

Any purist is an idiot, because the game will run out of content after Naxxramas comes out and is on farm. If you keep the game as is, it’ll last maybe a year or two before people get bored and move on.

BC is already “tainted” though - e.g. linear dungeons.

I also don’t think Classic BC will be as popular as Classic Vanilla.

I get what you’re saying but I’m saying if C+ was a new server then everyone would start at 1. That’s all. Idk if you could transfer a level 60 to a new server when they rolled out for the precise reason of people being at a disadvantage but maybe you could/can.

For those of you who don’t like the later expansions for whatever reason whether that be flying or what have you, the solution is simple. It’s called don’t play on those servers but don’t be an @sshat and tell blizzard that they shouldn’t make them just because you didn’t like them. everybody should be allowed to play the expansion of their choice regardless of what anyone else likes or dislikes. So quit being salty about how x expansion had flying daily’s class homogenisation LFG, etc. Just stay on classic or Classic+ and you won’t have an issue

That’s a good way to have Classic+ flop though. Not everyone will be interested in redoing 1-60 again so soon - having to relevel your professions.

That’s why I think it’s a bad choice. Blizzard will want to keep making money from classic, eventually they’ll have to do classic+ instead of making a straight line towards retail. It’s better that they do that during vanilla rather than TBC or Wrath.

There’s also really just no way they develop classic vanilla+ AND TBC servers at the same time.

They probably can. BC servers is just porting old content.

What they probably can’t do is develop Classic+ and retail expansions at the same time - both involve content creation.

That’s a neat idea and all but TBC/Wrath servers would separate the community and kill vanilla anyways.

I don’t want to play on a vanilla where everyones already level 60 kitted out in naxx gear as it’s just not sustainable. Even games that ‘totally receive no updates’ like diablo 2 have resets where everyone starts over again to keep the game alive.

A lot of people also make the argument “BUT WUT WULD CLASSIC+ EVEN BE???”.

That’s not for any of us to decide. That’s for Blizzard to decide.

Anyone who thinks that “Classic+” support won’t absolutely, positively, 100% inflate to epic proportions even long before people clear all Vanilla content is just absolutely dumb.

You should all get used to the idea of Classic+ and learn to love it, because there is literally ZERO chance of it not happening.

Yeah, and I guess I’m thinking too much into the game. There’s not much being 60 immediately vs being 60 in a month changes in this game.

In my mind I guess I’m already thinking of my version of C+ which transferring a 60 would be huge in terms of gaining land and areas of interest for you and/or your guild.

I think if we saw a C+ it would be via transfer from Classic realm only and lvl 60 only. Otherwise you might have too many players just roll C+, skip regular Classic and not even experience what this whole thing was about. Not to mention they’d learn the Vanilla game before heading into the expanded version.

A lot of Vanilla players don’t like the catch up mechanics in the expacs so if you actually had to play the original before + then this would be 1 of the ways to do that.

You are so incredibly naive. I’m going to be sure to bookmark this post so I can come back and tell you “I told you so” after TBC and Wrath are re-released. You people don’t even have enough of you to fill even ONE server, let alone multiples. The expansions however have the potential to have FAR more, whether you choose to believe it or not

Classic+ and the expansions are not mutually exclusive you turd. I just get the feeling you have no idea about what’s going on.

TBC without flying is a extremely prominent request and that would be Classic+ as much as anything else…

Any re-release to the Classic branch with any sort of mechanical or design changes that make it different from its original incarnation is “Classic+”, which is why I said it’s not really for us to decide what it does or does not mean… Only whether we do or do not want it.

And anyone who thinks the vast majority of players will be against Classic+ by the time a few phases have rolled out is straight up delusional. Plain and simple.

Book mark this one too.

And what makes you think that Blizzard is going to want to spend the money time resources and man hours that it’s going to take to make your Oh so precious Classic+??? What you’re asking for is your own custom expansion. Since when has Blizzard ever made any kind of content that was community-driven?

They can literally just open a couple of “seasonal” classic servers that rotate from start to naxx while also doing classic+ and everyones happy.

I guess you’re unaware of the massive influx of people Classic has brought in/back?

You have to spend money to make money and with the buzz around WoW Classic still going strong, you can safely bet your butthole that Acti-Blizzard is absolutely frothing at the mouth to monetize it and keep the subscription money flowing far into the future.

New content is the literal only way it continues to thrive.

  1. If a massive slew of people are all asking for the same thing, that doesn’t count as anyone asking for their own “Custom expansion”

  2. I’m not asking for anything, I’m telling you what’s going to happen.

A massive slew of people huh? I don’t think so. All of you classic+ supporters are simply trying to ride on the coattails of the people who asked for vanilla servers over the years and their success in getting Blizzard to give them what they wanted. Until you guys actually put in the work that they did and organize and put together a petition and have it signed by hundreds of thousands of players like they did, then you’re not getting Blizzard’s attention in the same manner. Last I checked people aren’t able to see into the future. You’re assuming an awful lot

Come to think of it, it’s possible to have Classic+ without new servers yet keep Classic unchanged.

  • Have Classic+ content on a new continent.
  • Nothing acquired from the new continent will work in Classic areas - they will just be greyed out in your bags and bank.
  • Give players a second “paper doll” for Classic+ - i.e. another set of slots - either as literally another “paper doll” tab or by extending the existing “paper doll” with another set of slots.
  • Gear from Classic and Classic+ will only fit on the respective Classic and Classic+ slots. Gear in the Classic+ slots will not show up when in Classic areas and have no effect. In Classic+ areas, Classic+ gear will override Classic gear in the same slot.
  • New separate Classic+ talent tree with earn-able points that can only be used in the Classic+ talent tree.

It’s going to require quite a bit of engineering work on Blizzard’s part though and it’s kind of convoluted. :rofl: