What you fail to understand is, not everybody is conditioned to need content and updates all the time. That is only true of the people that play retail. even without PVP or raiding there are tons of things that you can do in the game that donât involve either one. Everybody thatâs all about the end game is clearly playing Classic or TBC or Wrath for the wrong reason. I didnât realize you have a crystal ball and can actually see the future lol
Literally doesnât matter. You could make the same exact argument or people wanting change in ANYTHING.
Maybe you want TBC with no changes. And Joe wants TBC but he wants to continue into TBC with his current classic character. And bob wants TBC+ with updates.
But you all have the same underlying goal- you want TBC. The small differences in the way you want it are completely irrelevant.
or they could make a new character and play the new character.
show me one time blizzard has advertised when making classic that the goal was to make a completely new game out of it.
just one.
you canât. because they never have.
people are still playing many games to this day that are 1 to 2 decades old.
Apparently heâs never heard of the now made public City of heroes servers. Those are in maintenance mode and lots of people play that. and how about Age of Conan people still play that. Then thereâs Diablo 2, the original Starcraft seriesâŚetc. ALL of them are games that have no updates and has been in maintenance mode for years. Clearly this guy doesnât know what the hell heâs talking about
With a solid community, you can stretch playing this game for a long time. The community on my old server was why I stuck around. Community made content, not Blizz made content. A good community, with a good story will always be better than an on rails npc that tries desperately to make me give a sh*t about yet another world ending catastrophe.
I think the answer to what or if Blizz does something should lie in a more community driven tools and player created content. Sand boxing WoW⌠that I could get behind.
Edit: I should say thatâs just my opinion before someone tells me thatâs just my opinion.
Imagine if WoW classic has the playerbase of City of Heroes, Age of Conan, Diablo 2, or the original Starcraft series (outside of Korea) 5 years from now?
Would you REALLY call that successful, to have over 100x less players than it does today? A 99% player drop off rate?
Not to mention- those games still receive fixes and updates occasionally (such as Starcraft Remastered)
Whether or not itâs considered a success is irrelevant. Classic will be there no matter how many players there are. It doesnât freaking matter! blizzard said itâs a museum piece and itâs there to stay regardless of how many people still play it. Your excuses as to why you think Classic plus needs to happen are garbage
Blizzard said they would never release vanilla servers dozens of times. Who cares what Blizzard said? Itâs not a valid argument.
You really think blizzard will give up tens of not hundreds if millions of dollars to let classic, classic tbc, or classic wotlk die off because they once said it was a musuem piece and theyâd NEVER go back on their word?
The only reason they went back on their word about vanilla servers, is because they originally didnât have the data to work with. Later on they finally found some. That doesnât make everything they say from now on a lie.
Once again⌠a weak argument
Blizzard is a COMPANY. Not a person who makes promises to make you feel good. Blizzard has been saying no to vanilla servers since TBC, the main reasoning was NEVER âwe donât have the data to do it guysâ but primarily that they thought there was a lack of demand or that they just thought it was a stupid idea.
We only got classic servers because of Nostalrius and pservers showing a high demand for classic. It was absolutely nothing to do with randomly finding data.
Then you apparently missed the BlizzCon panel about classic that talked about that specifically.
As far as profits are concerned, the money they make off of retail with all of the whales that spend tons of money in the cash shop and all of the retail subscriptions is more than enough to easily fund TBC and Wrath with little to no updates indefinitely
thereâs also another reason why we have classic servers that you failed to address. Most private servers use the argument that blizzard no longer provides that version of the game anymore and itâs considered abandonware. That alone has saved a lot of them from prosecution and being shut down. So no itâs not just about the stuff with Nost and the other pservers being popular
Blizzards own blog post about the panel â RESTORING HISTORY: CREATING WOW CLASSIC PANEL RECAPâ says they already had a âclassic teamâ before they even found the database data. They already decided they were going to do it.
And as soon as they actually started looking for once, they found it quickly. Ever thinking that Blizzard didnât have the data somewhere is naive in the first place.
It was very standard programming practice to be able to keep that stuff, even back then.
Again Blizzard is a company, money is more important than what they say. They wonât keep making as much money from classic for years to come by keeping every server as a musuem piece.
Blizzard NEVER said that theyâd never change the game either. They just said they had no intentions to, Blizzard will obviously want to monetize classics success in some form.
Actually back then they only kept two versions of the game. The version for the PTR for testing and the version that got pushed to live. As soon as the PTR version got pushed to live, it overwrote the prior version. they didnât start keeping regular backups until after TBC
I always felt the missing code was a weak argument, too.
Retail: âLegion is sooo good.â
Classics: âBuh wha aboot Vanilla, sir?â
Blizz: âWe donât have it.â
Retail: âBFA IS TRASH!!â
Blizz: âWe found the code.â
Months later of hype and excitement.
Blizz secret meeting: âFools think we just lost the code. Never think to ask why we would even still have this unless we had planned to POSSIBLY release Classic again all along.â
Blizz has changed their story, and theyâre a company. They do things for whatever will make them a profit.
The way I see it, if Blizzard decides to do Classic+, BC, or WotLK, they will be on separate servers and will allow you to copy your Classic server character over.
This way there is no impact on the #nochanges crowd. Classic will always be there as a museum piece / optional** gateway to other servers.
** Iâm sure they will let you start from Lv1 on the Classic+/BC/WotLK servers in addition to allowing you to start from 60 via copying from Classic.
The only thing if they let you copy a 60 to a Classic+ server is now anyone with a lvl 60 is now advantaged to players who are new and just starting there.
Thatâs the way it was on 16 January 2007.
Everything that you just stated right now I am in perfect agreement with. My only issue with Classic+ is people wanting it to completely replace the expansions rather than being put out alongside it. As long as itâs completely optional and doesnât keep me from playing the later expansions unchanged with everything they had when they were released originally Iâm happy
Jesus guys. Canât we just leave Classic alone. I never got to experience Vanilla since Im a Cata bby and it makes me sad to see ppl wanting to change the game, instead of enjoying it for what it is. Like ppl donât understand why World of Warcraft was very popular in itâs Vanilla because of the passion behind it by the original dev team and they thought what would be great for the gameâs health and community instead of satisfying everybody little inconvenience.
Well, yeah if the server was transitioning from Classic to Classic+ like an expansion. If it was a brand new server then everyone starts fresh.