Oh, hell no. I like the things you hate, friend.
If you guys want to be foolish enough to think the blizzard will make that many variations of WOW, then by all means good luck.
As long as it doesnât interfere with the release of TBC and Wrath in their original form⌠With level cap raised, flying, reputation tabards, class balancing to fix the issues with vanilla, unnerfed raids and the attunement requirements intact, etc. Then, and only then, will I be satisfied
Coming from a toxic retail player who only comes to classic discussion to troll the forums.
TBC isnât that bad, but when people hear âTBC is coming back!!â theyâll think âBlizzard is doing this again?â and there inevitably wonât even be near the level of hype there was for classic. The people who are trying classic because of fear of missing out wonât just all do it again. Coupled with the natural player decline over a classic with no updates, TBC would make money but it wouldnât even be as close to big as classic is right now.
WotLK is a similar story but also has the HUGE problem of being way too similar to retail, if you like everything about WotLK chances are you like retail WoW anyways and would likely rather play that instead after you fill your nostalgia.
So you want TBC and Wotlk.
All this is speculation and actually quite interesting to read.
Whatâs wrong with, over the course of the next few years, there being a strong following and matching ideology for a Classic+ server?
I feel like the majority of people who DO enjoy Classic more would definitely be against any + version of Classic with the QoL thatâs being tossed around (myself included), but why not talk about it now? People are obviously pumped about Classic and are excited for more of it. The fine line being Blizzâs dilution of the game with each xpac.
Blizzard has already said that Classic would remain forever. Anyone that decided theyâre going to quit playing just because the expansions are coming too arenât very bright.
The only thing that was wrong with Wrath was the dungeon finder. And that didnât come into the game until much later in the expansion. Iâm pretty certain that blizzard will not put it in the second time around. They will more than likely use a patch that came prior
Making separate TBC and Wrath servers would kill the vanilla classic community ESPECIALLY if there was no âclassic+â
WoW has a subscription because itâs supposed to be an ever updated game, if you just keep everything the same eventually the vast majority of people will feel like they donât have a reason to log on anymore.
Separate TBC and Wrath servers is just the nail in the coffin that would tear apart the playerbase and never let anyone experience vanilla content besides questing ever again.
And people like you who actually believe this and advocate Classic+ to replace the expansions are the very reason that Iâm speaking out against Classic+ to begin with. Thank you for validating my point earlier
Youâre not the first player that actually brought that up. A lot of people are opposed to the expansions coming out due to the fact that the game was total crap after Cataclysm.
Myself and many others that have commented in these forums about this are of the mind that Blizzard will stop at Wrath. If they try to release Cataclysm or anything else afterward, they risk not only splitting up the player base too much but also losing money due to the very few people who would actually play it
Imagine if Oldschool Runescape followed the mainly (but not completely, similar to TBC and Wrath) well received years of updates that happened after the 2007 date oldschool RS launched at.
They would have had to completely shut down the project by now.
TBC/Wrath brought:
-Flying
-Class homogenization
-Completely killed wpvp
-Invalidated all previous content
-Massively increased lvling XP, truly pushing the âgame starts at max lvlâ retail mentality.
-Daily quests aka mobile game tier manipulative design meant to make you feel obligated to log in everyday by making you feel like you were at a disadvantage if you didnât,
-Removing elements that make it feel like an mmoRPG. Want to use that super high lvl enchant for a low lvl character? Too bad, you cant. Want to use old potions with semi overpowered effects at high lvl? Too bad, they magically donât work anymore.
and very few of them agree with what should be added.
some want new zones. some donât.
some want the raids and dungeons and bgs that were promised for vanilla added, and only that, and some want entirely new content.
some want quality of life updates and some donât.
some want balance changes and some donât.
so if you canât even agree with each other on what constitutes as âclassic +â how can you even say your in agreement.
the only thing you AGREE on is that you want to change classic.
but is it? the cost of developing new content is much higher then just remaking the old content, even blizzard admitted this.
classic bc and classic wrath would have much lower costs to make and thus is a much lower risk.
but ask yourself this - do you really want the same company that designed warlords and battle for azeroth to be producing new content for classic?
really? where is these âtons of spins of vanilla, but not vanillaâ that are bringing in more subs then nost did?
good news. greater blessings are already in the game when you hit higher levels.
except iâve literally seen some of you pro classic+ people say all servers should be changed to classic +, so again, you canât even agree with each other.
again youâre making claims you canât actually back up. can you 100% promise it will be a separate sub? they didnât even go with a separate sub for classic from retail and you claim that classic+ will be a separate sub?
retail players made this same claim about classic, and i didnât believe them, so why should i believe you?
from the very beginning they have advertised it as âan authentic vanilla wow remakeâ and a âmuseum pieceâ. hardly an ever updating game you claim.[quote=âHamon-grobbulus, post:277, topic:288617â]
-Flying
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which when you have content based on flying like bc and wrath did, isnât a problem. but when you remove designing content around flying, is not such a big deal.
bc no, wrath yes.
world pvp was already mostly dead due to battlegrounds.
thats why you have seperate servers. on classic vanilla servers there is no bc. therefore classic vanilla is not invalidated.
depends what patch of BC you go with.
you mean like classic does with various daily cool-downs from professions and the like? and it doesnât force you to log in, just rewards you for doing so.
burning crusade did no such thing.
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Oh yes the age-old OSRS argument. As Iâve said many times before, that doesnât work in a game like this. The original vanilla developers have been long absent from Blizzard. Nothing that they make now would even compare to what we have in classic. They cannot be trusted to make the content you guys are asking for and actually do it right. Not to mention the fact that trying to implement the same community voting system to advocate changes to the game would be a horrible idea given the fact that even people who donât play Classic or Classic+ that play retail would be voting also. Essentially that just opens the door to add retail features to the game and make Classic+ more like retail. Furthermore, there have been many changes to OSRS that the community voted AGAINST, and yet the developers put them into the game anyway. Sorry but thatâs a piss-poor argument all around
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For all your reasons is why I wouldnât play TBC, why Iâd want a Classic+, and my biggest fear IF there was a Classic+.
How much could TBC, Wrath, Retail players impact a Classic+?
I just want Classic + because itâs the closest thing I can ever get to have progressive content but with the gameplay and feel from vanilla.
I think making a guideline of what Classic+ could even be would be a good start.
Something like: no changes made by any of the later expansions. And no QoL added by later expansions. And no flying.
Crap, this is just my list again.
but the classic+ crowd canât even agree on what it is.
so who gets to say whats in classic+ and what doesnât?
and why do you get what you want but not the others in favor of changes?
Gotta love people that spout off things as facts when they actually arenât to support a weak argument lol
Almost made it. One sentence below that I say:
Crap, this is just my list again.
the joys of the forums.
but yeah. my point was this - you ahve your list of what you think is right.
but so does tim
and larry.
and joe.
and becka
and all of you think yours is the right list.
But in reality how would you have it? It seems you would prefer to have silence among all the groups.
Retail will forever have consistent updates, classic wont necessarily. Without updates, new realms, or something similar players would inevitably mainly move onto classic TBC instead of vanilla to have people to play with even if theyâd rather play vanilla.
Players will NOT stay in a non updated game forever. Private servers are not an example of it happening because itâs just players moving to new realms aka âfresh startsâ all the time, which Blizzard is unlikely to do.
If you want TBC/Wrath servers and are okay with Blizzard never updating any of them, inevitably you are okay with at some point no longer being able to complete group content/raids in any of them.
Games just donât survive with 0 updates whatsoever.