#NOCHANGES 🐒 , Arguments flawed and debunked (SERIOUS)

No. On every account.

What’s likely to happen, and would indeed be fine, is we’re likely to see Classic: The Burning Crusade, Classic: Wrath of the Lich King, so on and so forth.

Classic exists as a cash cow which doesn’t take up dev time. Or, at least, takes up very little. While you’re absolutely right that leaving Classic just to ‘sit’ for years would see its inevitable death, Blizzard has fifteen freaking years of content built for it.

All they’d have to do would be, every few years, implement a new ‘game’ which was classic: X xpac. Make it so you can transfer or copy your server from the previous incarnation over, and presto. Instant context.

And even if you want to argue that the game kinda went to the dogs after Wrath, that’s still eight more years of classic content. WoW has stood the test of time, but I don’t genuinely expect it to still be going after 25 years… Which is when we’d finish Classic: Wrath of the Lich King.

This whole thing is just silly. It all stems from people just focusing on what they want, rather than considering how businesses work and on what WILL happen.

They’ll museum probably so there is a place for OG Classic to be OG Classic.

And then they’ll do Classic+, Burning Crusade: Classically Re-envisioned (aka no flying no dungeon finder, re-worked map to support no flying) etc. Or something else.

Those who sit here on this message board and say no classic+, no nothing just leave it like this forever, it doesn’t matter what you want, the reality is that that is simply not going to happen. Because Acti-Blizz is a profit driven company and they will make far more money releasing new content for classic or doing classically revised BC/WoTLK/etc vs letting the servers stagnate with massive population drop offs after 2 years or so.

Your desires don’t matter because they aren’t inline with the company maximizing profit.

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you mean the same community that asked for stuff that pretty much killed off the feel of retail? yeah okay.

One of the most idiotic posts I’ve seen on the subject of Classic+. Good job :clap:

Nearly all of the statements you’ve made applies to you and everyone wanting Classic+. It’s not about what YOU want or your desires.

You’re right it’s about profits, and that means TBC/Wrath in their original form. Go look at the sub counts reported from 2006 to just before Cataclysm. The expansions were VERY good up to that point regardless of your personal views on flying or anything else you didn’t like about them. The fact remains that Classic+ is nothing but a pipedream of a small number of players and would cost a fortune to bring to life and wouldn’t make anywhere NEAR as much money as the expansions. This is FACT not opinions. Blizzard will do what is most profitable for the least effort and cost

TIL gaming companies work based solely on charity, not what makes them the most money and the most people happy. Let’s open up a WoD server.

And yet you are trying to appeal to blizzards charity yourselves for a custom-made expansion that only a select few people actually want

Shocktastic, there are tons of vanilla+ supporters making posts and commenting on this very thread. It seems a bit stupid to say that “Classic+ is nothing but a pipedream of a small number of players”. I do agree that Blizzard will do what is most profitable, and the most profitable thing is releasing new content to keep sub numbers on Classic+ up. There’s a reason why tons of pservers are spins on Vanilla and the most Blizzlike Vanilla pservers only hit 10k pop. People need new content and variety. I’m not sure why you’re so scared of that.

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All of you people that use the 10K population argument on p servers are woefully ignorant and are just cherry-picking the data to suit your argument. Keep in mind that not everyone that hosts a private server has the resources and the hardware like Blizzard that is necessary to support more than 10,000 players. Take that 10,000 and multiply by the number of private servers in existence and THEN you will have an accurate figure

And yes I say a small amount of players, because as you people are so fond of talking about that 10K server population. Do you really think you have enough Classic+ supporters to actually fill a blizzard server? I highly doubt it maybe ONE if you’re lucky, and even then it would never reach medium pop. Now compare that to how many classic servers are full and high. Compare that to the potential expansion servers and how full or high they will be and then tell me it’s not a small number of players

If something like paladin buffs being boosted to 10 or 15 min instead of boody 5!!! were a change. i would welcome that. larger changes than that i really dont see helping the enjoyment of the game.

but really how does that change effect anything important.

So you want us to not use actual numbers, but use your made up numbers, and also assume that every private server hit the peak number that the most popular private server hit, and also assume that the small base didn’t play in multiple servers.

Mental gymnastics right there.

“Take that 10,000 and multiply by the number of private servers in existence and THEN you will have an accurate figure”

I have no words, it’s clear you have absolutely no idea about private server pop data.

Nost before its shutdown, was the top Vanilla pserver with 10,000 active accounts. Every other server had lower populations than that. It’s clear you use your emotions instead of logical discussion, you FEEL that nobody supports Classic+, you FEEL that pservers were larger then they are actually were, you have no idea in truth and haven’t supported anything you’ve said.

I’m sorry Classic+ scares you so much, though I’m not sure why. Blizz will likely keep the true vanilla server up no matter what, even if Classic+ is adopted. Why are you afraid of new content for everyone to enjoy?

It still doesn’t change the fact that you guys are cherry-picking the data by only using the population on ONE server, and trying to say that based on that population on the one server that it’s not all that popular. My original statement still stands however the total number of Classic+ supporters are not numerous enough to fully populate even ONE Blizzard server, meaning you guys don’t even amount to 10K

dude, you make nochanges community look like idiots with your emotional rambling and excuses on how classic+ won’t work. if blizzard does add new content on a SEPERATE server, the sky isnt falling, you will still have your dead vanilla realm, stop crying over new content added to a game, you are pathetic.

I already know you guys said it was going to be on a separate server but here’s the thing this is Blizzard were talking about. If they are actually going to go through all the BS to bring classic+ to life, it is very likely that they will overwrite classic with Classic+ just to make sure that everyone participates in the new content. Not to mention the fact that several of you want Classic+ to replace the expansions. So yes I’m going to speak out against it for that reason alone

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People love vanilla classic. Why would Blizzard overwrite anything? They will likely have Vanilla, Classic+, TBC. Blizzard will always keep the original default vanilla realm alive.

Lol, exactly. That’s Blizz covering its own a** for years of crap talk and the infamous “think you do but don’t” line.

I’m glad Blizz bit it’s tongue and just did what so many of us asked for, but this was a business decision. Not a labor of love to make a museum piece, lol.

Someone up there finally realized, “Maybe we should give them Classic.” And then someone said, “Yes, but let’s not say we’re doing it for that large consumer base asking for it. Instead we’re doing it to immortalize the greatest game ever made!” And then someone said, “Yeah, and we can be like ‘I don’t even care if only 10 people play it.’ But we damn sure can’t say we’re doing this because THEY demanded it.” End.

The vanilla realm is the cornerstone of the entire WoW classic project by Blizz. They’d NEVER overwrite the vanilla realm. I don’t think anyone has advocated Classic+ to replace the Vanilla expansions… if they are that’s a stupid idea and something blizzard again won’t do.

Yeah, you can bring the original devs back to play wow for a promo video, you can talk about the “passion” of the project, in the end it’s a business decision. The demand was high enough for Blizzard to release the game so they can rake in those resubs.

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Keywords I don’t THINK… You might want to look into some of the other threads about this subject, and you will see exactly what I’m talking about. I have seen numerous people wanting classic+ as opposed to TBC/Wrath. It’s not something that I imagined… I’m not being paranoid. I’m commenting about things that I have actually READ

Yes… but Classic+ will be a separate server from Vanilla, TBC, or maybe even Wrath. In the end if it gets people to continue that sub, Blizzard will probably consider it, especially if the Vanilla servers start losing population.