Now that I have the slime cat, it should be on LFR. Why? The mount is too garbage looking to be obtainable from anywhere else lmaooooo
You’re trying to use “shady business tactics” which everyone opposes to advance a much milder point of view that you have because there’s nothing shady about the rewards structure being changed in a video game to increase player participation in Normal raids. Not only is it not shady, it’s a good move after the fact and the emphasis on Normal raids as opposed to autoqueue content is a good thing.
It’s absolutely not a fallacy because the principle still holds. The poster I was responding to wanted the rewards of their choice from the content they wanted to do and I was pointing out how that’s a horrible idea in a gear-based MMO.
Fantastic, now do it in the core activities of the game for 17 years, non-autoqueue instanced content. And if you don’t want to do it, fine. But that doesn’t mean Blizzard doesn’t have every good reason imaginable to encourage people to do so .
This isn’t about you personally. I’m pointing out that encouraging people to leave LFR and do Normals is good for the game and gating slimecat behind Normals is a really smart move.
You’re not making any sense. SotFO has less raid participation because of the rewards structure incentivising Vault-M+ spam (which I also think is a mistake but that’s a separate topic).
Even if what you say were true, who would or should oppose that? Encouraging more and more people to participate in Normals and leave autoqueue content is a good thing.
By your logic, it’ll be faster to get to 70 in the expac post DF so we should just buff DF levelling.
If a speedrunner could do it without the buff in 5 hours and 37 mins in 2020, why should this of all things be a point to kvetch about? So it’ll take you 15hours to get from 1 to 60? 20? How is that terrible by any stretch of the imagination?
And levelling to 60 a few hours slower than when the WoW buff was up will?
It’s 2022. These days, no apology or admission of a mistake being made has been honoured, no issue put to rest. In many cases, apologies hurt the person or org making them much more than they provide any relief. Instead, apologies are instantly followed up with “these are just empty words, you need to do something to prove you are sorry”. The demand for apologies is not made in good faith, all people want is a wedge to force the apologiser to give them what they want.
precisely.
I did it the last 2 weeks and yeah it had its fair share of AFKers and people dying.
Answer the question - if you were running a raid, would you take a stranger who didn’t have dual 291 legendaries and chanted gear (when mats and chants are dirt cheap these days) over another stranger who did?
And why not run your own raid and invite whoever you want to it? You’ve done LFR, Normal is hardly any different
run your own +2s and get blasted through by people looking for valour farm?
I was 180 in April. I got to 285 pugging all the damn way with 450ms (barring a heroic raid a week with my guild), you can do it too. Why haven’t you got your dual 291s? Why haven’t you chanted your gear?
Blizzard has every incentive imaginable to incentivise grouping and discourage autoqueue-only play.
Tovi isn’t confused, he just doesn’t want to concede the point, would rather continue to use the “scummy business practice” strawman to push his agenda.
There’s nothing to talk about because Blizzard changed something from PTR to live, which it has done before and will do in the future.
Normal is hardly progression raiding. If you used to be good, as you say, you can easily run your own Normal pug.
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Slime cat should be in LFR or at the very least put in to the game obtainable trough other means grind 150 000 toe nails at 1 drop every 5 kills if you want
But instead their playing on the FoMO = fear of missing out disorder that causes anxiety and isolation could lead to depression
They did it so those who unsubbed for a few months untill the next expansion come back and raid for it
But in reality if your a casual player that’s never raided and do current content in the next expansion when you can solo it your performance isn’t going to be great neither is your gear
You sighn up and get declined
If Ur not a top dps class you get declined
If your on a low pop server the raids options are much lower
Putting timed events in to the game under a fear of missing out is horrible and bad act in order to try funnel players back in
What about those who can’t raid due to accessibility or time restraints because of children or work ?
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Go ahead and remove LFR, just remember
More specifically this quote “The existence of LFR justifies the creation of more raid content for casual and hardcore players alike.”
So if they do, don’t cry when raid quality returns to that of Dragon Soul.
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Mount=/=gear
I did it in raid for many years. But they aren’t the core activities. WoW initially was mostly open world. Raids weren’t a big part of it for a while. And even when it became that way, still most of the population did not do them. It’s why they had to re-release Naxx.
No you aren’t. I mean you might think that’s what you are doing, but it’s not what you are accomplishing here.
People aren’t gonna follow you into raid. And your’s and others on here are just mostly showing off bad attitude. Which is not really helpful to get people to raid.
Sepulcher didn’t have a lot of participation because people just didn’t like the raid. But they are still trying to get those raid numbers up. Putting in a community voted mount was an idea, but we’ll see how it pans out for them.
If something keeps failing, it’s futile.
No that’s not by my logic. Because DF is already buffed. They can just buff Shadowlands until pre-patch.
Speedrunners are not the general population. They use all kinds of tricks the regular players do not use.
No, but it will give some good will for players to level the rest of their alts before pre-patch.
And like I said, some of those alts might find their way into raid.
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100% agreed OP.
The way Blizzard handled the Slime Cat is atrocious. The way they disrespected LFR players and their time is unacceptable.
I won’t be getting the slime cat. Sure, I could raid normal, several of my friends have done it, and I’ve even had a friend invite me to their raids so I can get it. I’ve refused. Because I will not give Blizzard a metric for fated raids after what they pulled.
Sure, at the end of the day I’m the only one that misses out. Blizzard isn’t going to notice one person not doing fated raids, and I’ll miss out on the mount, but it’s the principle of the thing.
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LFR players already don’t respect their own time if they think wiping on LFR Anduin is a good use of their time.
What LFR players choose to do with their time is their business. I’m not judging them. I’m judging Blizzard for their treatment of them.
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Indeed, it’s their business, so they can just opt to not get the mount at all. I really don’t see how Blizzard is “disrespecting their time” as if they had any entitlement to getting it for almost no effort in the first place.
You have to admit that it is interesting that they added the new Boost/Carry Channel while this is going one .
Players: I tried to do the fated raids during their initial weeks but was unable to get them all because of my schedule.
Blizz: No worries we have a solution for you .
Players : Really what ?
Blizz: Buy one of our tokens , they’re only $20 and once you get the gold check out our new Trade Services (Boost/Carry ) channel for a group to take you along
I agree with you there .
I’ve done normals on my vulpera hunter and even got aotc Sylvans and up to heroic Anduin with it but to be honest redoing the raids this expansion for a mount that should of not been a fomo but a thank you from Blizz for people willing to stay subbed for an end of season in a bad expansion .
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It wasn’t changed from PTR to live, it was changed from live to live via hotfix…
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I don’t think lfr is disrespecting my time and I am aotc Sanctum and 8/11 heroic SotFO
Oh and I can post the toon I have those on if you want to check this toons armory and decide to call bs
This is such a bad argument, and you know it. It’s literally done to clean up actual trade chat which would otherwise be used for the same purpose. This new channel only makes it harder for boosters to sell their services as most people will just leave that cesspool of spam instantly.
nonsense. It was changed before fated raids dropped.
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So, first of all, that was from August 2012.
And, second, to clarify, what Ion said elsewhere at the time was that the large number of people doing Dragon Soul (due to LFR) inspired them to creative a titantic 16-boss raid tier to open up Mists of Pandaria.
Mists of Pandaria came out a month after that article was published. It was all part of the 16-boss MoP opening tier promotion.
If removing LFR means they’ll never do a 16-boss raid tier again? GOOD
But it’s irrelevant because they don’t do them anymore.
To paraphrase Loremaster Cho: “I don’t see any 16-boss raid tiers today. Do you?”
Clean it up ?
Carry /Boost adds are probably the only true forms of trade in Trade Chat .
Actual trading in trade chat has pretty much been frowned on by players since Cata when Trade became a more toxic version of Barrens chat.
The only trading most will allow in there is the trading of insults . Other thing they will allow is Thunderfury spam and spamming of a 4 letter A word followed by some kind of achievement.
People complained because trade chat was actually used by people for what it was meant for.
This best sums up what Trade Chat without carry/boost posts really is .
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Premade groups can deny you entry to content for whatever reason (or even no reason at all), and remove you from the group at any time for whatever reason (or even no reason at all).
LFR is multi-player.
Elitist players are using the “but it’s an MMO!” excuse as a knee-jerk reaction without realizing what they are saying.
To go from queues to premades is a huge hurdle that potentially discourages millions of players from experiencing content. Blizzard needs to stop dying on this “only reward premades” hill. Shadowlands has already devastated sub counts enough.
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Specifically, the introduction of Enchanting Vellum killed trade chat. Prior to that, people still used it to look for enchanters.
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But not from the ptr to the live servers .
It was already in the live server when 9.2.5 dropped and wasn’t changed on the live servers until hours before 9.2.7 went live.
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True but the time between when the change happens on live servers and the time for fate raids to be available, matters for some players and that won’t change, Devs did wrong by not doing a specific text like any other glory achievement “normal or higher” it was that simple to add since PTR… And this could happened again because Devs keep doing the same mistakes every patch…
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