A recent claim from our Classic WOTLK Devs was that Random Dungeon Finder would lead to players progressing through content too quickly.
Turns out every 80 you see is already full pre-bis, or skipped 5 mans altogether and either RMT’d full ilvl 200 gear off the AH or has picked up a few pieces of easily pug’d raid gear. Yowsers!
With DPS having no reason to touch Heroics ever again this phase (aside from only 1 of the 2 daily dungeon quests), and tanks and healers being rewarded a worthless lol-bag with 2x Colbat Ore in it that doesn’t even have a low chance of a Valor token or somesuch, it looks like the Heroic scene is already dead even without RDF.
Even the Frozen Orb market has crashed from the Anti-RDF’s proposed “World Tour” sweaty-or-go-home groups, who directly violated Blizzard’s new philosophy against players gearing too quickly. Players who would have only run heroics for an hour a day instead found themselves pushing World Tours just so they wouldn’t have to suffer through manually forming new groups over and over.
Seems the one sure way to end the Pro-RDF / Anti-RDF argument was to just make Heroics completely irrelevant faster than ever happened with RDF enabled.
I’ve been saying that for months. With their time-gating of every single thing in retail, it makes a whole lot of sense that they would carry it over into classic.
Yeah it’s gonna suck for all the people just hitting 80 in the next couple weeks, there won’t really be too many people running them unless they’re achievement hunting so they’ll probably be forced to sit and wait for a while for every single dungeon.
Heroic GDKPs will be a thing or paid runs, just watch.
I was pretty much pre-raid bis as tank spec within a week of launch. 50 badges a day plus the 100 plus from quests was avery easy. Only thing I have not gotten is the bracers from H OK which the ones I do have will work for now. Now I am getting pre-bis ret set. should be done before weekend.
Thank you! Glad I’m not the only one noticing this. People ran bgs before wrath launched as well and so now most folks are rolling in pvp gear… but god gorbid you be a boosted character. #Noboostybois… but lets keep the pvp geared junkies who saw no merit to simply questing, enjoying the game’s content and gear throughout.
Then we have the -rush to 80 as soon as possible- crowd and within a few days time the game became obsolete because some folks rushed. Hit 80 in 2 days did ya? Goodluck finding a group while everyone else plays casually
Needless to say, this is why I ignored all the gold-guides being crammed in my face. The constant… “You need to do this before launch or at launch or a month into launch.”
Oh, it is already here… Well, I noticed on my server anyways.
Before the raids opened up, it was easy to find a dungeon group, even if looking for a tank or healer. Now, it seems to be harder also finding a DPS to run certain dungeons outside of the 2 dailies for 2 of the dungeons.
This whole “social-interactions” that the devs seem to have there mind set on is destroying the game faster than what Cata did back when that launched.
Sorry dude, your post kind of reeks of manufactured self-pity. A lot of the claims you’re making here are either massively overstated, or simply untrue. If anything, RDF would make you run more heroics, not less, due to not having a lockout… and yes, it would have sped up gearing to roughly a day since everybody would have felt compelled to continue running them over and over and over. At least the lockout forces you to stop.
Now is the absolute best time for no RDF in the game. This may change down the road, but complaining about it now makes absolutely no sense.
The real question is how prideful can the Devs be before they revert their decisions, I’m willing to bet if it’s anything like retail we won’t see any solid changes unless A LOT of people start moving on and their bottom line gets hurt.
Then they’ll add back in RDF a year later and say that they were listening to us the whole time.
Nah the PvP scene will die out in Wrath next month, the gear disparity is far too dramatic and those without gear end up as fodder while those with gear just honor farm every BG constantly.
It’s the same way SL is and SL died out pretty quick after 2 seasons.
DF is said to completely remove the honor grind for gear and the gear disparity is far lower, anyone serious about PvP will move on next month and not look back.
Sweaties found a way to be sweaty even without RDF, they made World Tour Groups.
Normal players were strongly compelled to be sweaty and join World Tour Groups when they wouldn’t have usually pushed that hard, just so they could use the new awful LFG tool as little as humanly possible.
Now instead of just sweaties being full prebis, everyone is. World Tours were more damaging with pushing players towards sweatiness than the casual convenient nature of RDF ever was.
That is it though. How long can Blizzard keep it up before they revert there decissions. Turns out, just by observation and looking at polls, about 70%, maybe 75% of the total classic playerbase does want RDF, where the rest are either don’t or don’t care. (This is only by observation and research, not official or anything.)
It could end up being like WoD with the devs on the no flying where a lot of people will unsub and then Blizzard will have to revert on the decission. And all those private servers out there, the ones that are playing with Wrath, are playing with from patch 3.3.3, because around that time, it was the most popular time in Wrath history.
It was reported by Blizzard in October of 2010, that WoW even peaked 12 million subscribers worldwide before the subs started declining in Cata, around late Jan, Early Feb in 2011, though all for different reasons, but non of which were because of RDF.
I legit don’t even understand how someone can be anti RDF, like where did that movement even start from aside from a bunch of trolls like that RDF guy lol.
Like what benefit is there to remove QoL from the game, it doesn’t help anyone and only divides the game further.
Don’t get me wrong, people do have every right to hate a something, but the difference between most of the Anti-RDF on the forums and rest, the ones who come here to the forums are more of trying to spread false logic and misinformation about the tool, while making false claims such as “RDF made people unsub”. Where the rest post only there opinions about why they don’t like RDF or just continue playing the game and don’t worry about the forums.
Don’t get me wrong, RDF also does have its downsides as to the LFG tool, but the problem isn’t the tools, it is the playerbase.
Whoops… was I supposed to get my Pre-BiS slower than 4 days, and Glory of the Hero slower than 7? Sorry Devs.
It started with people being unable to separate RDF from LFR and blaming RDF existence as the reason LFR came into existence. So if RDF doesn’t exist LFR can’t exist. You know instead of just being anti LFR.
Why is LFR bad? It really shouldn’t be, except for two reasons. One it added an unneeded difficulty, and it killed off the lowest tier of raiding guild that would feed the upper tier of raiding guild… but I am not sure even that matters currently because those guilds don’t seem to exist in classic.
Silly Priest, that doesn’t work. People don’t want to group with people of similar gear. They want to group with people who have all the gear already.
I think they are referring to the new norm that most groups form as World Tours.
With RFD, my DPS might queue for 2-3 dungeons and do dailies in the 30-45 mins between queue pops.
Now? I join a world tour and spend my 2-3 hours completing every dungeon because, once I’m in a group, I feel compelled to maximize that just to avoid using LFG again
Just don’t do it. I swear every time I come to the forums, it’s like people here are playing in a parallel universe. Never have I seen more world tour groups than just one off groups. You’re only doing it because you know it’s going to get you geared up faster, it’s not because you are pressured by other players into doing it. You’re a meta chaser and you b**** about it. Just don’t do it, play in normal groups.
