No Rational Explanation For AV Win %

In practically every AV thread. :rofl:

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Human beings aren’t the same. Cultural differences alone dramatically impact behavior and mentality.

Horde has a significantly different culture and mentality than alliance.

With the map as it is now, the opening clash usually takes place at or near Balinda (shgy and/or north field of strife. This zone should be Alliance dominated, after all you have archers covering part of it and your Lts. are there to further damage Horde players. But usually the Alliance is decimated there.

My opinion, it is class ratios. Alliance tend to have too many healers. Yes healing can be a real advantage in BG play, but too many mean you can’t put out the dps you need to take the opposite team down. Your pally count is way too high and very much a disadvantage.

This would be 100% true if it weren’t for the fact that Horde and Alliance are the same people.

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Hahahahaha, feel my unfair auto-attacks! Listen as I pray unfairly to God for a SoC proc! Watch as that shaman purges everything my class does! Oh wait

But they aren’t…

I’m not sure how you can argue that. The aesthetics alone will attract different types of people.

They are not the same people. The faction aesthetic of the two is vastly different, attracting a very different type of player.

lol

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lol, again.

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Except that’s not the case really.

Horde reach SHB before alliance do and in any case is so far from SHGY it’s not worth defending. Balinda is a joke compared to Galv. IBT does not provide nearly as effective cover as TP. SHGY has two open approaches compared to IBGY which not only has a back exit off so horde can’t get bottle onto the spawn point but forces alliance through some narrow choke points on the way in. And one horde take SHGY they have an awesome choke point to keep alliance from ever getting south again.

The best players on private servers went Alliance because Alliance racials are, for the most part, optimal for PVE performance. And PVE was the focus on the Nostalrius-descended servers: speed runs and the like. PVP was a means to getting the best gear-- not that the high-end players didn’t enjoy PVP, but it wasn’t anywhere near their sole focus.

We have the added bonus of the horde instantly getting extra honor for killing our weak npcs lol

Really doubting my 5% spirit sword/mace trumps troll/orc cooldowns and windfury.

Are horde npcs not worth honor, or are they more powerful than alliance npcs?

If it has EVERYTHNG to do with the imbalance at the start, then why do…

• Alliance win the majority of the short games
• Horde win the majority the long games

When the BG’s first came out, Alliance were winning the early games with the zerg rush. Horde never won in the zerg rush.

Horde wins by playing the longer game.

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Yeah, let’s completely ignore the FACT that the majority of Horde players are on PvP servers and the majority of Alliance players are on PvE servers.

An overwhelming majority of PvP’ers are Horde and vice versa.

What do you expect to happen when one faction has far more players queuing in PvP gear/specs vs the other faction in PvE gear/specs?

PvP spec >>>>> PvE spec

People keep talking about this cave like it makes some drastic difference when it really doesn’t. Alliance keep bringing this up but have nothing to say when they are able to rush through any lines of defense we have and get to drek within 5 mins of the game starting. We can’t do that as horde. We get nailed to the wall by archers and other npcs, and that isn’t even considering the worlds best choke point on alliance side if y’all actually chose to defend. Move the cave back to orgrimmar so alliance can feel they have a fair advantage for all I care. Even then they’ll find other nonsensical crap to gripe about.

Also if your looking for someone to blame about you losing pug avs you have no one to blame except your fellow alliance players. Meanwhile while your pugging av games the overall majority of alliance are still able to cheat the system and que as raid groups. This leaves you by yourself with the other 14 players on alliance still pugging av

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Horde win long games because alliance refuse to step out of the short game strategy.

Still much easier to fight north than it is to fight south through that choke for a few reasons:

  • There are more ways north from there than south. You can only go south by way of the road, you can go north by the road or over the GY.
  • If the towers aren’t capped yet then the archers from both of them help the horde.
  • You can go up that path near the flag and then drop down, already nearly past the choke at that point.
  • There’s a bunch of horde NPCs there that help kill the alliance while they fight south.

Yes, once the towers and NPCs are dead and the alliance holds IBGY it is a good choke but it’s never as good as the other way around.

100% agree