No pets for marksman hunters!

Incorrect.

Actually I’m not. Tanking or being required for utility doesn’t magically make the pet interact with the spec.

MM does more damage when the pet isn’t there.

It’s so non interactive you summon it lust then dismiss it.

Actually the water elemental had a dps interaction as water jet granted the mage more fingers of frost procs.

It was also used on group play

This was baked into the class.

Everything lost from the elemental is retained. Including, but often ignored when the analogy is brought up, the damage bonus from ditching it.

For reference, Frost mage is my 2nd most played spec.

“The pet interacts with their utility but that doesn’t magically make them interact” is not a take I want to argue with you, Snoz. On some topics you get so into your own head you’re unwilling to speak from a reasonable baseline, sometime.

I haven’t said otherwise.

Devs start messing with the classes, screwing up Specs, players leave the game in droves, the devs all in a room having a pity party because players don’t like their screw ups.

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The point was that the interaction was there when in comparison for MM the per as almsot zero interaction with the spec.

At what point in MMs abilities does the pet interact with the spec?

BM - Kill command
Barbed shot
Bestial wrath

SV - kill command
Flanking strike

I’m sure there are either but sv is my least played hunter spec.

The pet does zero interactions with MM.

The utility. Stuff that is being retained;

  • New Talent: Cunning – Your Spotting Eagle gains the Cunning specialization, granting you Master’s Call and Pathfinding. Choice node with Tenacious.
  • New Talent: Tenacious – Your Spotting Eagle gains the Tenacity specialization, granting you Air Superiority and Endurance Training. Choice node with Cunning.

Marksmanship Hunters can expect a full suite of unique Eagle-specific versions of pet utility such as a line of sight-ignoring Intimidation, a unique Bloodlust, new visuals for Master’s Call, and even the ability to change your Eagle’s specialization between Tenacity and Cunning.

but which begs the question of why there can’t be an option that retains the pet so people can keep their crutch.

Like, I’m going to be honest with you, Snoz. Personally? I like the idea of a spotting eagle. I also think if WoW just split all of the specs off from having a parent class, I wouldn’t be arguing this at all, but we don’t live in that alternate world.

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Stop ignoring the point and bringing up things that aren’t even in game yet.

The question that’s already been answered multiple times?

Balancing reasons.

Please tell me you’re joking.

Nah, you don’t get to play this card if you can’t express why it can’t be done in a retentive fashion.

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MM is sniper hunter. Snipers don’t use pets. They kill alone.

Yikes I’ve seen some pretty cringe takes in these topics but now it’s spiteful that Blizzard improves a spec and wants it to be played how it’s supposed to be?

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Snipers use spotters. Which the Eagle is representing.

I’m not. You’re ignoring the main point I’m making in that MM has been designed and let free since legion with the OPTION to have a pet out.

Is a spec is mostly played without a pet then that pet doesn’t have any interaction with the spec.

I have though.

The gap between lone wolf and a pet is so big they can’t balance the spec in general and thus it’s usually in a poor state.

They have chosen to remove the pet and come up with this “eagle” that is removing the issues that pet versus lone wolf is having.

Then I reckon our discussion stops.

Your entire point relies on talking about unreleased features, be a clown somewhere else. I’m not arguing any of the things you’re losing your well-adjusted mind over.

What a child.

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Then you’re not understanding the point at all.

My point is on CURRENT MM not 11.1 MM.

I’m not losing my mind at all. I’m stating facts and it just seems you aren’t very informed on how MM works.

Surely your point is on current MM.

Current MM is bad. It’s been bad for a long time, the spec has been shafted since BfA launched, if you ask me.

Right now, you’re fist-bumping a change that is essentially “a pet without pet mechanics that has MM specific procs.”

It’s a bad look, friend.

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No one who is for MM going petless has explained how it’s going to work in solo content.
None of them have explained how those of us who need a tank to keep aggro off us squishy hunters, is going to work.
It’s as if none of them care because all they think that matters is raiding/mythic.

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I’m happy about a change that marks hunters have been asking for years for.

If it’s a bad look because people are upset they will need to play Bm or SV to use their pets that’s their problem

The same ways it’s been working. By kiting.

Hunters aren’t squishy. This is a massive lie being told by multiple people and can’t helping your lack of any actual point.

Raiding and mplus is the priority.

and its funny. because he is acting like he is forced to play current mm with a pet. and probably is noob enough that he does so.

blizzard can fully redesign mm and balance it accordingly without removing the pet as a “OPTION”.

what gets me the most is how vague and two faced they are. they said they want to reimagine marksman hunters by getting rid of the pet, yet with the same breath of oxygen talking about how marksman will now have a mandatory pet that you have no control over and cannot interact with…

reimagine lol. weak.

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You don’t need a pet for open world, and Brann is getting a tank spec in 11.1 for delves

A good point.