I disagree. There is no reason to make hunter a petless setup at all. Making it more so that MM doesn’t have a need to summon the pet? Sure. Removing it is stupid.
Thats even more obvious in them adding in an eagle instead of actually removing pets altogether. There is no reason in any world that that eagle couldn’t just be my pet. Its a function of hunters to have a pet. All the changes could easily have just been made using the pet in place of the eagle.
They literally already have the tech to do it. Intimidation does exactly that if you don’t have your pet out.
And even if there is no “use” for it we should still be able to summon our pets. Though removing the ability to use them in Solo play or even team play as a temp tank is also stupid.
I concur. I still think removing the pet is stupid as I’ve noted but like. Why an eagle if my pet is right the hell there?
No, not incorrect. I’m very correct. Its entirely unnecessary, as a random eagle can easily just be our pet instead. As I’ve pointed out they already have the tech for this. Intimidation does exactly that right now if you don’t have a pet.
MM could easily have had “utility” without gutting a function of the Hunter class and even if they did there is no reason for them to remove the pet regardless.
From the PTR the eagle barely shows up, only when you do a few specific things. And they have said they will be adding some customization to that.
Anyway removing the pet was desired by both the devs and a lot of MM players, so here we are. You can dislike the reasoning but that doesn’t invalidate it or mean there is “no reason”
Which to be honest was a mistake imo and those of others .
The only reason MM was made to go petless was the same reason Surv went to melee.
Not because people actually asked for it but so that they could do the start of their at the time passive borrowed power trees starting with Legion . After 3 expansions of those even they had to admit it was a bad idea.
However with that being said even Blizz is unwilling to go back on all their bad ideas and are willing to die on some hills even if they are wrong.
Now I have no problem with people (MM hunters ) not wanting to use pets for any reason even open world but I believe that should be a player choice to not do so and not to tell players in order to use a pet the must change to another spec.
Blizz’s job is to create the resources to live out our game fantasy in wow and how we interact with the game not to tell us how to live out that fantasy or interact with things in game .
Why? There was no good reason to do that, especially if you’re just going to put the utilities on the hunter itself. Removing a function of a class even if it’s not doing anything is stupid. Hunters have pets. If you didn’t want that you should be playing a different class.
There was literally no reason to remove pets at all. Intimidation already summons the pet temporarily, so they could have done that for all utility requiring it and still left the option for people to summon their pets if they desired to, whether that just be for funsies or having a tank in solo or whatever else.
It wasn’t a mistake. Pet pathing has always been an issue in group content.
Since legion MM has been designed to be Petless.
People did ask for it though.
They are removing the pet because it’s affecting MM in group content.
It’s affecting it via play issues and balancing issues. They have tried multiple times to make both playable and it’s not working so they made the choice to fully remove it.
Dude, you either didn’t read or comprehend what I said. It’s one of the two or you wouldn’t have responded like you did which was nonsensical to what I said.
There is literally a ton of reason to not want to maintain a split paradigm or be gimped by it. Calling it “stupid” or saying “no reason” is just hyperbolic. The reasons are there, some people just don’t like them but they either don’t have the context of systems design or don’t care. Either way that position isn’t a serious one.
Yes it has been an issue in group content (ie dungeons and raids ,pvp is another issue in itself).
To go along with the borrowed powered passive tree I mentioned above.
Once again telling us how to play out our fantasy instead of just giving us the resources and letting us determine how we want to play out our in game fantasy .
Once again that should be a player choice and as for me I don’t run a pet in group content unless there is no other lust/hero/time warp . I do how ever do like to run with my pet/s in open world as do others and I’ve been running with a pet since switching over to MM from RSurv since WoD 6.2 for open world or a companion character like Rexxar or Addie since Legion .
I am fairly capable with the spec (at least for the level I play) but part of my chosen game play fantasy is that of the hunter traveling with his pet and I am sure that is the same for others . If it was you they were taking something away that was part of your game play enjoyment , would you not speak up .
To be honest you come off as some one that goes " If you don’t play how I think you should play , then you are wrong in how you play or think "
In all honestly, to me it comes of as you being overly arrogant
This was an improvement to Frost Mages because it sees the water elemental used much more instead of them picking lonely winter for the damage buff anyway and since it’s tied to Icy Veins it procs it every 3 minutes and increases damage up to 15% so not sure why you are complaining about a positive change.
Marksmanship improvements will be improvements as well, gameplay and spec improvements aren’t a reason to complain.
Borrowed power has nothing to do with spec design.
You have the choice to play bm or sv if you want to run with a pet.
Fantasy is irrelevant. Playability and viability in group content is higher priority than solo content.
Nope. I don’t care how people play. I’m saying the changes are happening for a reason and the majority of the people mad about losing the pet lack the basic understanding of the specs issues.
If anything the pro pet people are the ones coming off that way more than anyone.
At the cost of talent points, because they’re eternally trapped in this limbo of Lone Wolf trying to have it both ways. Ripping the bandaid makes sense.
I’d be comfortable with a glyph that makes your pet show up for half a second instead of the eagle spirit, if seeing those pixels is that important to the pet-wanters.
So I copied my MM hunter from live to PTR and tried it out for a while, just on open world stuff that I usually do.
My initial impression:
Damage output seems okay; regular critters are dropping pretty quickly. I was even able to take out a couple elites with only minimal face-tank time.
I have no idea where this “spotting eagle” even is; I didn’t notice it on the screen like, ever.
Not having my pocket tank definitely will take getting used to; it is a big difference. It’s going to require me to completely rethink how I play this character when I’m soloing. Any situation like a world boss or rare elite that requires a group isn’t going to change as I would usually dismiss my pet for those encounters anyway.
That is the biggest deal for me right now; soloing is going to be a re-learning experience until I get used to it again.
Right now… I’m not comfortable with it yet and it’s too soon to tell if I think it’s an overall improvement or not.
So you are telling me the artifact weapon trees during Legion had nothing to do with spec design when each weapon was designed around a specific spec ?
Once again a player should not be forced change specs just to play with a pet as a hunter . It should be their choice to run with one as MM if they choose to do so and not a forced choice to change specs if they do want to use one .
I don’t like melee Surv and not a big BM fan either . What I like is playing MM with a pet out in open world as do others. To a lot of people the real bird Blizz is giving isn’t the passive eagle that will pop up whenever but the middle finger.
There is a simple solution to that and it was kind of introduced early on in the life of Lone Wolf.
When Lone wolf is active have it contain the utilities for group content and when a pet is up for MM hunters have the pet contain the utilites for open world .
Also don’t most pets in a certain group contain the same basic utilities and aren’t those same pets used by both BM and Surv. How about let’s make BM the only pet spec and add Surv to the non pet group along with MM.
Ok show your sources of where the majority asked for this .
I want actual links to where people actually asked for this.
Some people like me just like having the Water Elemental around when questing and running around.
Whether it gets more use by the general population isn’t particular relevant to me - and frankly I don’t know why Blizzard would be so bothered by it; it can’t be that hard to balance the Water Elemental’s damage.
Easy because they want you to play a certain way and you since you won’t play that way they force you to, as for balancing I wouldn’t know like know but from what I’ve seen in the case of the water elemental and without it they changed it and the same thing is happening with pet and no pet for Marksmanship so maybe it’s not so easy for them to balance having a pet vs not unless it’s completely tied into the spec like a Warlock pet. (Before you ask I hate them as well and wish they would have kept the spell lock in the Warlock general tree so yeah.)
I’m telling you the artifact weapon and borrowed power had zero to do with the devs wanting MM to be pet less. They literally have zero to do with each other.
That’s not how game design works.
They have established their plans and intent on what the spec is going to work. You can either play or don’t.
Well that’s your personal problem. Solo play is the lowest priority on the totem pole. The issues these changes fix are a much more priority.
This doesn’t address the very big issue of balancing.
Considering most bm hunters use exotic pets.
Pets have three main trees but they also have secondary things that are different.
Example being raptors and trex have MS along with lust and the leech while works have freedom and different abilities.
It’s been asked multiple times in the forums and discord for years.
I was also talking about my understanding of the spec/class in comparison to others.