I am clueless, I guess. Maybe if I spent more time in “the discord” it would help. I would see these “issues” as major. But I shudder at the very thought.
I clearly don’t spend as much time pouring over the hunter specs looking for problem. I just play a game. And argue with people who are obsessed with what is going on in “the discord”.
It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
My question is why does every hunter spec need a pet?
I get YOU want the pet, but why keep it out of that reason alone?
What does it bring to the spec?
If it brings nothing. It will get pruned.
So it’s a tank. That’s it.
It doesn’t do anything else. It doesn’t have any dps abilities or utility beyond tanking now that the utility is baked into the hunter.
Now why not just buff the hunters defensives to remove this thing that doesn’t contribute to combat other than holding threat?
Does that make sense? Tbh we’ve been going back and forth on this for weeks and all I can see is grasping at straws to hold on to this thing out of mostly sentimental value. I haven’t really seen a sound logical argument to actually not remove it.
Been confirmed
Has zero to do with the discord. Anyone that plays MM outside of entry level content knows how these issues are a major problem.
You’re admitting you don’t know anything about the spec.
You clearly don’t spend any time playing your hunter.
How uneducated you are on the spec? Yeah it’s pretty sad.
Yeah, because playing a hunter is such a monumental undertaking, if you don’t do it at the “entry level”. Do you guys in the advanced stages of MM hunters, in “the discord”, have badges and ranks?
Are there secret code words, like “foxtrot tango”?
Because pet is the core part of the hunter class:
Is like asking “why does every mage need magic”? “why does every warrior need weapons?” is nonsense statement
You are trying to make that this is just about me, when the forums clearly show this is also about a huge chunk of the community that play MM, and is not by just “wanting” and “wanting” is not reason to discredit either.
Pocket tanking, expedience questing, better control in PVP, player enjoyment due to pet hunting and playstyle that fit then
It brings a lot to the spec, you are being disingenuous saying it bring nothing, because it doesn’t in the context you play
sO iTs OnLy OnE tHinG?
Yeah, try to answer again without being disingenuous.
It’s not replaced by an eagle, they’re petless. A spell effect shaped like an eagle spirit accompanies some of your spells for half a second, that’s it, it’s otherwise Lone Wolf without the friction. You don’t have to take my word for it, it’s on the PTR right now.
I didn’t say it was. It’s just embarrassing for you how you don’t even know spec basics and the try to comment like you have a clue.
Strange to take away pets; this is an actual pet class, so no matter what anyone says, it makes no sense at all. But we live in strange times.
So was Frost Mage at one point. We’ll live.
I feel like the hunter is the “core” part of the hunter class.
Not every make uses the same element. Not every warrior uses the same weapon type, IE 2h vs sword and shield vs 2x 1 handers.
Face it, the pet isn’t part of mm core gameplay.
No. But you seem to be one of the loudest ones in all these posts. Which is why I singled out the “YOU” part.
And a huge chunk do not use the forums.
That’s not a lot. A pocket tank, annoyance in pvp and personal choice.
And you are twisting my words. It does not bring anything combat related to the spec other than pocket tanking.
Literally been saying that for weeks and you continue to twist my meaning rofl.
Personal choice is not a good reason when 2 other specs exist.
Purely keeping someone in combat because white hits is not a good reason.
Pocket tanking is the only good reason, so yea. One thing.
The hunter is not the core of the hunter, what a nonsense rebuttal, the thing is not their own core.
Exactly, just like not all hunter use the pet the same, not all mages use magic the same, but they all use pets, just like all warriors use weapons and mages magic
you are proving my point, even if MM focus less on the pet, pet still there.
The compromise is letting people not use one if they want to, now they want to remove the option to use one, obnoxious
They are literally saying they want to reembrace pet as part of identity and gameplay
congratulations, you refuted yourself.
same way you and two others are loudest being the antagonist? maybe is that YOU that dont want a pet?
Lets stop with the hypocrisy here right?
Not just that, you cans et pet to attack something else while you attack other stuff, you can use pet fetch to make looting quicker, using its abilities like feather fall to go in one higher place to another, but oh well, i doubt the M+ andys actually do questing these days
Attacking rogues and druids who sap/cyclone you so you don’t lose a flag/base, sending pet to attack someone who is trying to get a base while you attack the healer, triggering enemy hunter traps with your pet, baiting CC like polymorph
gO pLaY bM hUntEr
That’s not a lot, for YOU
Its more than that and explained to you several times, you are just active being facetious with the intent to distort the threats in support of the pet because you fear they will give in, since its clearly absurd amount of support for bringing pet back
I don’t really care but, do you want me to go get the blue post from when they tried to push Lone Wolf enough in between WOD and Legion that they tried to remove pets from MM in legion, then had to back off and re-add them because the community skinned them alive? Blizz has been pushing “No pets on MM” since WOD, lets stop pretending like their motive has ever changed on That front. And I’d be willing to put money down its because one of the devs is a Petless MM hunter.
Only because you keep antagonizing, starting this ridiculous arguments.
Anyway. I’m done talking to you again. Because you can’t help but act like a condescending jerk.
Go play surv/bm if you want a pet. Sucks to suck. Enjoy 11.1 changes.
Yet if they keep making this change, then it should be telling as well no?
Or they see more players using lone wolf than not and make class changes based on that.
They tried it in WOD. it failed. They tried it Again in Legion (full removal in legion) and clearly the numbers were lying to them because they had to roll it back, then, too. So, are the metrics telling them that they’re right, or are they just trying to push the change they want to see, again?
We shall see. I just know they are making the changes because of the friction caused by lone wolf.
We shall indeed, I keep warning people. Don’t trust the PTR, dont trust the patch notes, dont listen to the forums. The real litmus is when it goes live, to the casuals who don’t read any of that.
We also can’t see the stats that they see either.
Tbh based on just reading the talents alone when I logged into the ptr, it looks like a solid direction.
I main BM, personally, so it doesn’t make a Huge difference to me. I can see the complaints from the people who want options, but at the end of the day I’m generally in the pro-option camp, I’m always for wow to have more options, not less. I remember the days of MOP when our talent trees were just 5 sets of 3 options.
Syeg. I see you typing an essay. I don’t care and I’m not reading it. Just letting you know now.
Act like less of a jerk and I’ll debate you. 