It may be “unimportant” content to some - but it keeps a lot of players around when they’re done with the “important” stuff. They go on mog runs, they put together sets, looks, generally just fiddle with their characters and make cool stuff.
You can keep a player like this around for months with very little work. Hell, it’s some games’ entire business model. That didn’t happen by accident - they sell cosmetics because people really want them.
I’m not saying Blizzard has to start selling cosmetics and armor sets on the Shop - that’d be a damn shame - but I think it’s a bit ridiculous just how thoroughly they underestimate the benefit decent cosmetic features can add to a game. They should know, they made Overwatch - a game infamous for its loot crates and cosmetics.
So much this! And people also say those of us who roleplay (my community and I) stick around for the droughts. Because we make our stories and content. But it’s tiresome to be told, when we’re frustrated about things like this, to shut up and accept it. That “what we want isn’t real content. Step aside for everyone else. It isn’t important”.
People don’t understand that there’s different preferences in the game, and put you down if you deviate from the “PVE/PVP” mindset. Perfect example is all over the forums and…well, virtually everywhere. Mocked, nonstop. “Stop whining about haircuts” or “go to Moonguard har har har”…
We’re honestly not asking for the world here. But when we are hopeful that some of our feedback will be taken, only to have it shot down…
They seem to think that WoW is some kind of hard core eSport that is far too serious for something as trivial as cosmetics. Which is ironic given that Overwatch actually is an eSport and is all about the cosmetics. (Same for like every MOBA out there.)
Raiders and M+ in here acting like they’re way too cool to even care what they look like. Meanwhile people with far more impressive gaming skills in more competitive games are obsessing over their skins.
Bonus round:
When they say: “We need to add it when it’s appropriate and makes sense!”
After
"Purple eyes for void/blood elves was a glitch guys, but we let you keep it because we wanted you to "
^Second one is just fine, sure. But it completely destroys the ‘argument’ of the first one there.
What is it then? “we’re going to add stuff when it makes sense” or “we figured players would like this so they’ll keep it”
Those are so contradictory it’s not even funny. Might as well go with “People are requesting it, so we’ll add it” for everything if we’re going to do that. Like, seriously. And the requests aren’t even something that don’t make sense in context of lore either. For goodness sakes.
Edit: You know I try not to be a gal without sources, so here you go:
PLAYER 2: https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/status/1321575915969605632
"Having purple-eyed female high elves everywhere was indeed a bug. And in the process of tracking that down, we decided that it would be a nice bonus to throw in the purple eyes for players.
So the NPCs’ loss is your gain!"
Personally, I’m team player 2. If a bloody NPC glitch results in customization like eye colors people have been asking for, then… I don’t understand why even simple things like that are just tossed away.
Don’t forget how the art team was “ahead of schedule” and that was why they could make the tree mount. If they were so ahead of schedule, why was making even more customization options impossible?
I think it’s strange, frankly, that some assume because someone likes one part of the game, they must like only that part.
I love scrabbling around in PvP, I love M+, I love hopping into a raid every now and then, when my schedule permits - and I also love putting together little outfits for my characters. Hell, half the reason I do Raids/M+ is just to get more cosmetics to play around with!
Most of the people who want more of a focus on cosmetics are just … y’know, people playing the game. They want a reward that’s a little more exciting (to them) than a +5 boost to their Haste and Mastery. And furthermore, much more permanent.
Hell, half of the RPers I know are fairly hardcore PvPers… I wish this community wasn’t so obsessed with drawing arbitrary divisions between one another.
This is a very good point too. I’m looking from a lens primarily of a roleplayer, but I forget sometimes that we’re not alone. It isn’t just the strict roleplayers upset about this (ALTHOUGH I was trying to start delving into content before I flat out stopped playing for the most part, but I was only on like mythic +7 and hadn’t even killed normal Denathrius. I had started a rogue for rated PvP perhaps next season, but that’s also down the drain. You get my point though, I really am not high enough on either scale to say I do it. This expansion, anyway.)
I am grateful that other parts of the community agree here as well, and are frustrated about it. I’m just so tired of being screamed at for speaking up about this from those who really don’t care at all because it ‘doesn’t affect them’.
It’s kind of ironic that people say this, because MMOs are VERY much a “sum of its parts” sort of genre.
Each individual piece has been done better elsewhere - that’s just like, the objective truth - but when you put it all together, you end up with something really special.
Every little addition just makes the package as a whole much better. You might not be into Pet Battles, for example, but the game is richer as a whole for having them. Hell, RPGs don’t need to have sidequests, or minigames, - the main quest is more “important” to the experience, after all - but the world is so much richer for having them.
That’s not to say there’s anything wrong with focusing on any one part of the game. But just having all those options available? That’s awesome.
Sure, they’re too cool to care about appearance until you suggest that mythic raiders shouldn’t get the best looking gear. Then they act like you’ve committed blasphemy, suggesting that mere casuals should get appearances as blinged out as theirs.
Yeah, I’ll be playing with the little one, she seems to quite enjoy it.
It’d be nice to finish up the druids and do the Night Fae covenant too, if she wants to level the druid more.
I’d started leveling my BE Blood DK to go Venthyr, so may keep up with that…but at the same time I’ve got other games I could be playing as well.
All I’ve really been doing otherwise is the Callings and a bit of LFR. I’m sure there’s some side quests but haven’t been doing those much yet.
Seems like each time they start in on a customization project it goes unfinished and thrown to the back burner. Goblins and Worgen had to wait quite a while for their updates and now they’ve dropped the ball on the character customizations. I don’t really feel like they have any plans for an races either. Classes is definitely a no go. Pretty much the main things that get players excited as they sure complain about the borrowed power systems. I agree. I wish we’d kept the legion weapons and just kept iterating on that. They spend all this time developing this crap that has no staying power rather than the things that do.
I’ve seen there’s toys, but those don’t last long enough nor are they customizable, definitely agree there. There’s the book that can turn you into a skeleton, which for some reason is missing it’s Obliterate animation. There’s also a toy to make you the Necromancers based off the Zandalari.
I’ve barely done any M dungeons. Might be fun if I had people to play with, dunno.
Yep, there’s tons of great ideas and things that players would quite enjoy. Working out storylines and quest to incorporate it would make it even better, but nope.
Did they really say no one was giving feedback? I’d not seen that part, they just basically acted like that was the case. Makes me wonder what it would be like to have actual communication.
Dunno what I hit but the thread vanished for a moment.
The customization we got was a good start and that’s it. It was a good place to build from by adding a bunch more for each race and actually taking feedback into consideration. Was it a good place to say “we’re done.” No way.
Exactly. Currently there’s not much for me to do other than keep doing the same content or leveling up another character. Customizations, races, classes etc help that. It could be a months before we get any actual new content.
Yeah, pvp doesn’t interest me much at all. I’m looking forward to Overwatch 2 mainly because there is a whole PvE game. I play the original with my siblings, but when they’re not on, rarely do you ever find me playing. Same for PvP in Warcraft, it’s just not something I find fun.
It’s a crap argument as it always makes sense as it keeps your players happy and engaged.
Really feels like they’re just not coming straight out and saying the work from home thing has really set them back and they’ve cut everything except the core stuff they feel players want. Seems like a fair bit of time was spent on the soul bind stuff and I couldn’t care less about any of it. For WoW being their cash cow, they really should be putting more into it than they are.
This is starting to feel like WoD, and the sad thing there is I thought this was the expansion put out by the A-team, instead of the B-team on WoD, or did all that change?
So being fairly new coming back to the game I finally made a lightforged draenei and realized. Blizzard is so lazy with custimization SO lazy that they havent even ported over the same options for lightforged that regular draenei have. There isnt even the excuse of another faction being jealous ala [blood : void] elves.
Seriously how long could that take? Thats just beyond sad imo.
No they weren’t… They were just the PvP sets for those seasons. Heritage armor is only something that race can get. Those sets are available to all races on their respective factions.
I love those purple eyes! High elves always had them and it made sense for blood elves who weren’t corrupted to get them too. I am just sad that blizzard comments felt misleading. I still love some of the customization. It’s my favorite part of the expansion as I have been wanting to play my gnome and dwarves. All my horde toons basically got swapped to Zandalari and Nightborne mostly so I am quite disappointed with this turn out. The fact they advertised this expansion as the customization expansion and then say more is coming! And then say no more in shadowlands, we need a good reason/ time to add them (which is literally any time since it’s a subscription based game…), and not in shadowlands makes it seem next expansion or more (more paywalls and time to wait). It really felt unsavory. I would argue some races got good customization. I am sad they neglected the rest and more would have been preferential. The expansion feels like it’s missing a big chunk of what I found important.
If I had to sacrifice something for customization it would be all the borrowed power systems! That wouldn’t be something I minded losing as we will lose it anyway. Customizations stay forever.
I love the Lightforged Draenei, personally. But goodness me they really do need a lot more customization; having even half of what regular Draenei have in terms of customization options would at least be some improvement. Hell, they definitely need the tail customization options! I’ve heard the longer tails are even in the files for female Lightforged!
Oh and funny enough, when the new expac came out, Lightforged roar emotes broke for me, again, becoming regular Draenei roars instead of the voice emotes unique to Lightforged.
“COURAGE! DO NOT FALTER!!!” B-Blizzarrd, this isn’t even a roar, it’s a bloody warcry.
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B-Blizzarrd, this isn’t even a roar, it’s a bloody warcry.