Im the original , your the imposter
Delves is only a thing due to the rewards.
I can play this game too.
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Right and making M + have better or more rewards doesn’t mean people are going to like it or agree with it.
Sounds like the devs are trying to dictate how the game should be played rather than letting us play our own way.
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I understand, but arbitrary or no, because that’s part of your reason for therein participating, it’s not relevant.
Even if it were 618 or lower it would stand, because the moment gear progression matters to you in addition to anything and everything else it defeats the notion that achievement is all you care for. You may only care for ilvl insofar as it facilitates your earning achievements, but in the end you still care for ilvl, hence.
You can still be of that mind of course, whether you acknowledge it or not is more a question of character than anything material.
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what you talking about? IM THE ORIGINAL.
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Every dev in every game dictates how the game should be played on some level.
Are delves not that fun and people dont enjoy delves?
I get the impression someone’s ego is bruised that Delves are surpassing M+ in popularity.
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Thats what they said 
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Faker, ive been this way since 2019
Incorrect, sir.
But please change this from actually talking about the issue and into personal statements.
Blizzard philosophy: 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards.
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ive been this way since 2008.
I suspect the thing driving people away from M+ is other people and I don’t think Blizz can fix that.
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and the timer!
They don’t appreciate the psychological impact of a timer.
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“M+ is full of toxic people being anti social”
–“Have you tried making friends”
“omg no”
To me it seems more like path of least resistance.
Delves are easier than low keys so people do then more for gear.
Mythic+ is easier than raiding for mythic track and especially gilded crests so people gear there.
I think delves are fine as they are.
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As someone who does both, and even those nonexistent sub 7 keys, blizzard completely missed the point on why people don’t run m+. People would run more sub 7 keys if those keys were more balanced for the people that would be running them. Ion and his team needs to understand that despite all their intentions, these keys are 1. Usually pugged by 2. Not the best quality players. Ion needs to get out of his 2008-2014 attitude and belief that people are in these super coordinated guilds doing stuff together all the time.
These keys are miserable experiences and nerfing delves is not going to change that.
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+7 should have never been an entry point, for people who also enjoy M+, to begin with, and it is yet another example of Devs being out of touch with the entire community…
I’m 616 ilvl and I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE I’ll get 1 invite for every 50 +7’s I queue for. Let alone anything higher, regardless of skill. I’m struggling to get invites to T8 Delves at 603 ilvl on an alt right now. When that’s literally the ilvl that they drop.
The amount of crests required to upgrade items is the primary issue here, nothing else. People want fast M+ to farm gilded crests, because it takes 15 per upgrade and you get 5-12 per M+ at 8 or higher. So AT MINIMUM, you have to run 2x M+ to get 1 UPGRADE When you need 5 upgrades on 1x 1/6myth piece, you have to run AT LEAST 10 M+ 8 or higher to max out 1 piece.
As well, the reward tier needs to be lowered 1 for M+… currently, you have to run a +7 or higher to get hero level gear from the end chest, at a seemingly low drop chance. That should be reduced to +6 and the vault should +9/+10 should reward 1/6 myth and 2/6myth pieces. Especially since they’re complete RNG and you get 1 per week, and you could get a duplicate piece, or something that’s complete garbage for your build.
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What they should do is something like the Maps you find in Delves.
Every so often, you run a Mythic+, you find a map for a Delve.
Every so often, when you run a Delve, in addition to finding maps for other delves, you might find a “map” for a Mythic+.
At the end of your next Mythic+ of a comparable or higher level, you’ll have a special chest only you can loot that will give you bonus stuff/loot.
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i dont understand
do they want to take delves and make them into M+ and remove the solo like it has been or not
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