No Ion, Not Everyone Who Delves Wants to do M+

The only time you will get gilded crests is if you’ve used one of the bounty maps. There is no “chance of gilded crests” from standard bountiful chests.

Why should anyone feel obligated?

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I feel like you can sum up all these arguments with

OP: I don’t wanna play with people

Responders: We do

None of it matters. While I enjoy delves we all know they aren’t serious content and don’t deserve serious rewards. If you are clearing delves and at any point feel like you’ve topped the ladder on challenging content then you really should step outside your comfort zone and try actual challenging content. The reason so many people disagree with you is because blizzard has given more and more to casual players throughout the years. It’s essentially changed up the entire game. Not all of those changes are bad obviously but this idea that we should be giving anti social players equivalent rewards to those that choose to actually go through the challenges of group play is ludicrous. If you can’t see how that would be harmful to the entire community, not just the anti social players that refuse to participate in group content, then you are choosing to remain ignorant. The rewards for delves make sense and frankly if your only doing delves you really don’t need higher rewards. M+ loot and raid loot makes sense because your trying to reach the next challenge. If you can’t clear higher delves with gear available from doing delves then you need to address how you are playing your character.

If Delves are so laughably easy, why don’t you have the Delver of the Depths IV or Immortal Spelunker achievements?

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Fixed that for you.

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Delves are not harmed by nerfing ilvl.

Because delves still exist as content.

Only thing nerfing ilvl does, is take away ability to skip content.

Such a fascile argument you repeated ad nauseam. You could say the same thing about m+ gear letting you skip lower lvl raids. You could say the same thing about raid gear letting skip m+. You could also play content because you enjoy, get rewarded for doing so, and not whine so much about what other content rewards. But let’s be real here, that’s asking far too much from a troll.

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And I do say that but Ilvl serves a function for raids and m+, progression faster than someone else (because it is competitive.) And ILVL functions as nerf over time for raids.

Again, a terrible argument. You increase iLvl so now your m+ is easier? Except, no, you just hop up on the level of difficultly in search of more, better numbers, just feeds into itself, an endless carrot and stick cycle for engagement. That is the core gameplay loop and it’s the same with delves. It’s the same everywhere. Making the distinction on the size of a group is arbitrary.

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Actually it is.

This is an RPG, players WANT to progress. You nerf that then not only will you kill the mode but participation ends up in the gutter because progression comes to a swift end.

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No, it ends at a lower level.

As long as delves give enough ilvl for solo content, people still do them.

If absolute numbers are all that mattered, we had higher ilvls in legion.

Solo > group > Raid if you want the highest participation in all forms of content.

Raids thus award highest ilvl.

But seeing as m+ has a competitive title, doing so, creates an uneven playing field. Current gear upgrades equalizes this pretty much though.

And if there’s a competition for delves, it’s taking gear off while doing zek’vir ??

Well it’s a good thing they currently do now.

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The problem with M+ is M+ itself, and the M+ community is tearing itself apart over it.

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Let them, I’ve seen raiders still have an axe to grind regarding M+.

It’s just funny these people want to march on delves doorsteps attempting the same practice from the crowd before them. :joy:

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Because M+ has a negative impact on raids, and still does.

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You are just on a roll with awful takes. No, obviously no one cares about absolute iLvls. Relative iLvls are what’s needed to feel like you are progressing. That’s relative to where you were, btw, not relative where others are now.

Forcing people into content is the absolute worse way to increase participation and the surest way to shoot your own foot in the attempt.

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He’s an age old troll so he definitely saw it. I’m sure he lurks here and there. You can take the troll out the forum but you can’t take the forum out the troll. :joy:

And also sounded like he already knew the problem from the interview.

I think the issue stems from m+ and mythic raiding being the only avenue for further prog on your gear once you gear up in delves. The game is always trying to push players up into harder content for those better rewards and im not against that. I think it should be the way naturally. But some aren’t interested in the commitment mythic raid takes so m+ looks more accessible. For those that don’t want to continue their prog everything is great and I think ion acknowledged that when he said they were happy with delves and it gave players a way to get hero track across the board. He’s not just going to nerf that.

I think the issue comes from the game trying to push people up, in this case into m+ when they might not really want to be there or even enjoy the experience all together. The challenge comes with trying to let the two populations exist on their own. Let solo players play solo and let group players do m+. But the shared gear and upgrade system is the link so not sure how much could even really change with those factors present.

Also just a thought… why the &@$) do we need different tracks of gear anyway? Why not just have the ability to level it up with the different crest currencies as you go up? So when my trinket gets to 619 further upgrades now cost gilded, for example. I still need to do the content to get the crests to level it. No sense in having to rehunt the same gear time after time. Idk. Would make the vault less aids too lol

It’s not about forcing people into content, it’s about proper rewards, and properly incentivizing players.

Really?
If you don’t do other content in the game, why does your ilvl matter in relation to them?

More than ONE player said if they increased rewards in raids or m+ (ilvl), that they wouldn’t care.

More than one.

People fail at logic.

And those are the “delves must stay hero track” people.

I mean I’d actually consider raiding if the rewards were better. I’m not investing hours in there just to walk away empty handed. They had players get keys to get gear from BRD, they should probably look into that more in the future.

It’s Blizzard’s fault the rewards there are scarce. I haven’t touched palace once this season and only done BRD, I’m sure you can imagine why.

Champ gear is rat tier gear and anybody stating it’s OP is just yelling about nothing. Literally nothing is wrong with delve’s reward track given that all other content reward tracks outgear it after a month.

This is just being mad to be mad.